Need some info for a book

[davedonovan]

Hi everyone. I need some help regarding the Pine Barrens. Does anybody know approximately how many people go into the pine barrens every year and are never heard from again? It's a hard answer to find on the internet. If published, I will thank you in the book!

Thanks,
Dave

[Stu]

All of them.

[TeeGate]

All of them.


Good one Stu :)

I think you will find the answer is none. My name is Guy Thompson for your book :)

Guy

[kingofthepines]

I only know of one.

[TeeGate]

Who ??????????

Are you trying to take my book credit from me :)

Guy

[kingofthepines]

I only know of one.
Actually he isnt the only one. (http://www.the-jersey-devil.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=223)

[TeeGate]

Actually he isnt the only one. (http://www.the-jersey-devil.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=223)


That is reaching :)

I am taking it that they mean walk into the woods and permanently disappear. Carranza was found.

I have never heard of anyone.

Guy

[kingofthepines]

Did anyone ever hear from him again? :)

[TeeGate]

Did anyone ever hear from him again? :)

I get it.......:cool:

[bruset]

That would be a really hard number to judge with any amount of accuracy.

What would be far more interesting to know would be the number of bodies that get discovered. In talking with some rangers back in the day, it's a fairly common thing for them to find. Suicides, mostly.

[kingofthepines]

If they dissapear without a trace, there is no way to put a figure on it.

[Boyd]

What would be far more interesting to know would be the number of bodies that get discovered.

I remember reading a newspaper story (maybe) 10 years ago about a dismembered body they found dumped beside Rt 679 not far from New Gretna. Does anyone else remember that, and was it ever solved?

[woodjin]

I think in '94, they found a body(female) right where the wading river crosses 563. I remember because it was within a week of when I canoed it myself and the canoe livery guy, Clem was his name, was telling me about it. I can't remember if she was beheaded or not. I remember reading an article on it also. Could that be the same that you are referring to?

Either way, on the Harrisville get together we had we were talking to the rangers at Martha and one of them gave us an incredible number of bodies found. Almost in the triple digits I think. I think he was saying that was within the year. Alot of suicides and dumps by some skin head group, and Pagens. Do you remember how many he said Ben, a bunch of us were there. I can't remember. I remember thinkin the number seemed too high. Considering how often I am in the woods and I have yet to find a body.

Jeff

[kingofthepines]

You can poke around here (http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/miss/ui_counties.html)and find some interesting cases.

[bruset]

i don't remember how many he said, but i was amazed by it.

i suppose they would find more than we do since they're out in the woods for hours each day.

[uuglypher]

Hi everyone. I need some help regarding the Pine Barrens. Does anybody know approximately how many people go into the pine barrens every year and are never heard from again? It's a hard answer to find on the internet. If published, I will thank you in the book!

Thanks,
Dave

Oh yeah; I believe that figure has been pretty well settled upon by demographic statisticians of great repute as 13.2 per year plus-or-minus 13.1 (standard deviation from the mean), but then there are those rural sociologists who decry such figures since the data is clearly non-parametric on a year-to-year basis. But on the other hand, it might be 8.

I'm sorry. This question was probably put to us in total seriousness. I'm just a little short of sleep and prone to flights of sarcastic fancy when sleep-deprived.

Nite all...
Dave

[TeeGate]

You can poke around here (http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/miss/ui_counties.html)and find some interesting cases.

Thanks for this. Most of the Burlington County ones were found in the area we travel in out there. Jessica is always thinking we will find someone one day.

Guy

[RMICKLE]

That would be a really hard number to judge with any amount of accuracy.

What would be far more interesting to know would be the number of bodies that get discovered. In talking with some rangers back in the day, it's a fairly common thing for them to find. Suicides, mostly.
About 10 years ago a Medford women and her friend killed her husband/boyfriend after bailing him out of jail and dumped his body off of Route 206 south of Atsion. The body was found by hunters.

[Furball1]

My brother Woody got lost in the pines, near Zimmies Lake, near Weed Lake.Just outside of Medford, this side of Indian Mills. My friend Tom and I looked a long time for him. My name is Bert Snerdsfoot, for your book. Oh, I'm sorry, the State Police found him, I think. Yeah, they did. Maybe.

[long-a-coming]

My brother Woody got lost in the pines, near Zimmies Lake, near Weed Lake.Just outside of Medford, this side of Indian Mills. My friend Tom and I looked a long time for him. My name is Bert Snerdsfoot, for your book. Oh, I'm sorry, the State Police found him, I think. Yeah, they did. Maybe.
Well did they or didn't they?!?
What side of Indian Mills?!?
@%&*%$#^*
I think you spent a little too much time at Weed Lake dude

[Sue Gremlin]

I think you spent a little too much time at Weed Lake dude He he he he he. :mrgreen:

[Stu]

I think the guy who started the thread ended up vanishing as well.

[TeeGate]

It must have been the second post that did him in :mrgreen:

Guy

[Furball1]

Dude, We found him, thankfully....and I didn't inhale.

[long-a-coming]

Furball I'm glad you found him.

If your post was serious then I apologize for my rant.
It seemed a little silly that's all, no offense intended, dude.
not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Furball1]

If you go to Google Earth, 39 degrees 48' 25.31" N and 74 degrees 46' 18.79" W , you will see a lake--back in 1974 there were NO houses anywhere near it---there was a large beaver dam (20 ft X 8-10 ft) at the base of the lake(this is now an artificial berm) and upstream we would often see river otters, beaver cuttings everywhere. It was secluded and accessed by only a dirt road off of Stokes Road. We were fishing, and my brother and my buddy's brother decided they wanted to take a stroll---his brother came back, but we looked for my brother for hours into the night. Someone spotted him on a road by himself, and gave him a lift to the State Police near Red Lion Circle. It was PITCH BLACK back there, and I was very upset--wew, but glad to find him. If you follow downstream there's another impoundment we called Weed Lake because in the summer time it got choked up with weeds (water algae, etc)---but it was a GREAT bass lake. A short drive from there is Indian Mills. I don't know where the moniker "Zimmie's Lake" originated, but Tom M knows (one of the posters on this site). Weed lake is off limits now--private property--Zimmie's lake I'm not sure, but I think you can access it---it was a good pickerel lake. No apology necessary--I get goofy on this site sometimes.

[TeeGate]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.807031,-74.771886&ll=39.807028,-74.771887&spn=0.00539,0.015686&t=k&om=1

[long-a-coming]

Medford in '74 sounds really nice.

[Furball1]

Yes, an escape to a place frozen in time---now just a memory frozen in my mind---wish there was a way to cut and paste some memories to a DVD to share with younger generations. Sighhhhhh....

[piker56]

Hey Furball, wow, lots of memories from time spent at Zimmies. How can I forget the mounting panic as it got dark and your brother was lost. Or a somewhat funnier story, the time I was there by myself during the week (not working, what a bum), and I was carrying my boat on one shoulder and my tackle box, fishing rod and anything else I could grab (didn't want to make 2 trips to the car). I started to cross the beaver dam and almost stepped on the biggest snake I've ever seen! Needless to say I tried to jump, dropped the tackle box, fishing rod, boat and fell down the beaver dam , landing in the mud. Of course, the boat landed safely in the lake where the wind proceeded to blow it away. It took a couple of hours for the boat to reach shore. I still laugh remembering that.

[Boyd]

Medford in '74 sounds really nice.

<Sigh> Yes, I've heard the stories and wish I could also go back in time. But after living in the Medford area for 12 years I've given up. I just moved to a place in Atlantic County with 10 acres of woods bordering on a WMA with my own stream and plenty of solitude. I'm sure development will gradually encroach here (and everywhere in NJ), but I'd say I'm about 40 years behind where Medford is today :)