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I'm sorry you and Jess had to back out on this one. I forgot my camera, but Scott took plenty of photos. It was a good explore. We gave it a 9. That area is a State and County treasure back there. Rolling hills, deep ravines....chestnut, black, and white oak, and huge areas of thick stands...

Al, maybe the satellites are still orbiting in the same place because of gravitational pull...they just shifted with the earth?

What is this, a witch hunt? The trails coalition has good intentions. They really do. I don't like it that everyone is slamming them down. This is only the first attempt by them to create some order out of absolute chaos. Can they improve? Yes, but, give them a break. Many of them took the...

And then we turned a new century, and things started getting downright weird. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/50-unexplainable-black-white-photos

It's a tough thing, being swept along with the tide. But, if you pinned me against the wall and said...."look, we just don't have the people to enforce it right now, but we can put up some temporary signs to restrict access and to make a point that we don't appreciate you playing in the mud in...

Guy, I request you remove post 81 and 82. That is in very bad taste and should not be a reflection upon this forum for visitors to see. I think the Trails guys did the best they could, and will learn from this experience.

I don't blame the trail coalition at all. At least they are making an attempt to do something. It was the people who drove back there to play in the mud incessantly. I would however (if I were on the coalition) have argued for making it a temporary thing....say....3-5 years to give it time to...

Still mulling it over. After the uprisings in the middle east brought people together against a corrupt government, and disasters in Japan and New Zealand brought out the good value in family connections in social networking....I thought better about it. Then too, I am losing my voice if I...

I want to lash out at somebody for this....but of course....we all know where the fault lies. This is a sad day for those of us who take leisurely drives out there.

That was well worth the 40 minutes it took to go through them all. Seriously good stuff.

Incredible. If it wasn't concrete or rock, it's gone.

You rock Fred!

Thanks Mark....I had it backwards in my head, that cleared it up. Thanks Boyd....that 55 foot drop in elevation to the cedar swamp is impressive. At the red shade it is all big upland oak trees, and then zoom!....in a cedar swamp all the vegetation is different.

Hmmm, I do remember reading someone's thesis that had some clues (:)), but being having a dense head for details, I've forgotten at the moment. I think it has to do with the winds coming off the glacier piling sand on the southern side or something to do with the way the sun melted that bank...

I'm always interested in the bigger elevation changes found in our relatively flat pine barren land, especially ones that are steep. Most of them dip into a cedar swamp. There is one on the Factory Branch headwaters that I have always been impressed by. You can see them on the topo as bunched up...

Here you go Ed! How are you by the way?

I bought that Remington 870 Express Tactical gun last year on route 130, that sportsmens center. They ordered it, came in 2 weeks later.

What did you mean by this last sentence...I can't decipher it. ?? Oh, I think I know...you mean C and D are not allowed, but you can have a pump action shotgun with up to 8 rounds?

I think the limit for shotguns only applies to semi-automatics.