A treasure hunt in South Jersey has a hidden prize worth over $3,000

M1 Abrams

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At the risk of making nobody wait, I wanted to clarify that the clues that were used for the recent Veil hunt are now freely available to peruse. I was curious about how helpful folks here thought they would have been to narrow down their search.

The subject of nobody allows me to quote from the autobiography of a man who was far from a nobody, Early Recollections and Life of Dr. James Still.

Nobody's Song

I am thinking just now of nobody,
And all that nobody's done,
For I've a passion for nobody,
That nobody else would own.
I hear the name of nobody,
For from nobody I sprung,
And I sing the praise of nobody,
As nobody mine has done.

In life's young morning, nobody
To me was tender and dear,
And my cradle was rocked by nobody,
And nobody was ever near.
I was petted and praised by nobody,
And nobody brought me up,
And when I was hungry, nobody
Gave me to drink or sup.

I went to school for nobody,
And nobody taught me to read,
I played in the streets with nobody,
And nobody ever gave heed,
I recounted my tale to nobody,
For nobody was willing to hear,
And my heart it clang to nobody,
And nobody shed a tear.

And when I grew older, nobody
Gave me a helping turn,
And by the good aid of nobody
I began my living to earn.
And hence I courted nobody,
And said nobody's I'd be,
And I asked to marry nobody,
And nobody married me.

Thus I trudged along with nobody,
And nobody cheers my life,
And I have a love for nobody
Which nobody has for his wife,
So here's a health to nobody,
For nobody's now in town,
And I've a passion for nobody,
That nobody else could own.
 

RJG

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Unless these treasure hunts start leading to crowds of people in the pines throwing trash on the ground, destroying plants, trees, digging holes, etc., I’d like to see law enforcement focus their attention elsewhere.

What I would like to see is a little better enforcement on New Jersey’s lakes. Probably 90% of the people who freshwater fish don’t buy a license. I have fished thousands of times over the past 50 years and have only been asked twice for my fishing license. I frequently see people taking undersized fish, more fish than they’re allowed and fish out of season. I have seen people fishing illegally destroy a good lake by taking all the fish out. And a lot of people throw cans, bottles, food wrappers, styrofoam, fishing line and even household trash on the ground when they’re fishing. Fishing clubs that are part of the South Jersey Bass Clubs are assigned a lake to keep clean. If we didn’t regularly clean up the garbage, some of these lakes would look like a dump. Unfortunately, there’s a good number of people in NJ who are selfish and don’t care how trashing an area will affect anybody else.
 

bobpbx

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Where I live there are two nice ponds, with fish in them. Despite the no fishing-private property signs, young kids on bikes and older teens with cars come and fish. They seem to be clean, and nobody bothers them. I like to see them here and not in a drug den or darkened gaming room.
 
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RednekF350

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Unless these treasure hunts start leading to crowds of people in the pines throwing trash on the ground, destroying plants, trees, digging holes, etc., I’d like to see law enforcement focus their attention elsewhere.

What I would like to see is a little better enforcement on New Jersey’s lakes. Probably 90% of the people who freshwater fish don’t buy a license. I have fished thousands of times over the past 50 years and have only been asked twice for my fishing license. I frequently see people taking undersized fish, more fish than they’re allowed and fish out of season. I have seen people fishing illegally destroy a good lake by taking all the fish out. And a lot of people throw cans, bottles, food wrappers, styrofoam, fishing line and even household trash on the ground when they’re fishing. Fishing clubs that are part of the South Jersey Bass Clubs are assigned a lake to keep clean. If we didn’t regularly clean up the garbage, some of these lakes would look like a dump. Unfortunately, there’s a good number of people in NJ who are selfish and don’t care how trashing an area will affect anybody else.
Agreed. I've had to have a fishing license for the last 50 years as well. Probably been checked twice also. The only time I ever remember getting checked regularly for creel limits was as a kid when I used to fish for trout in stocked waters.

New Jersey is definitely short on conservation officers, and they cover both hunting and fishing. Pennsylvania has the Game Commission for hunting and then they have the Fish and Boat Commission regulating fishing. I think they have a lot more staffing per capita for all of that.

I'm not bashful at all about calling the New Jersey Operation Game Thief number. I've done it several times and always got responses almost instantly. On one occurrence, I stayed on the line with the game warden as he drove through the woods to the spot where I knew out of season duck hunting was taking place. He was giving me play by play. He eventually saw a mud puddle with bubbles in it and he knew that he probably just missed the perps. I have called the one warden more than once. I keep his number in my phone and I can call him directly.

 
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bobpbx

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In the late 1970's a warden fined my younger brother $28 (good money then) for fishing pickerel at Presidential Lakes without a tag. He was about 19 then. I thought that was lame. Pickerel will never be fished out.
 

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... $28 (good money then)

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RJG

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About 30 years ago I was working in a house in Mullica Hill and the guy I was working for starts screaming and cursing and runs out of the room and returns with a 30 caliber rifle. He yanks open the sliding door and starts firing into his back yard. I was about to run out of the house because I thought this guy was some kind of maniac who was trying to kill somebody walking on his property. He realized he had started me and quickly explained that he was shooting at the snapping turtle in the pond in his back yard that was killing all of his pet ducks. I “gently” reminded him that a centerfire rifle bullet can travel up to three miles and will skip off of water just like a stone. :)
 
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RednekF350

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In the late 1970's a warden fined my younger brother $28 (good money then) for fishing pickerel at Presidential Lakes without a tag. He was about 19 then. I thought that was lame. Pickerel will never be fished out.
Fishing License is required 16 years old and up.
Right now I’m half price senior until age 70 when it will be free. Not a great deal at all.
For hunting, I’m a senior for life with half price for archery and gun licenses. Trapping, the most expensive license of all at $35 doesn’t get discounted.
Deer and turkey permits don’t get discounted at all for seniors either.
I get non resident PA every year too and that’s over $100.00
 
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Fishing License is required 16 years old and up.
Right now I’m half price senior until age 70 when it will be free. Not a great deal at all.
For hunting, I’m a senior for life with half price for archery and gun licenses. Trapping, the most expensive license of all at $35 doesn’t get discounted.
Deer and turkey permits don’t get discounted at all for seniors either.
I get non resident PA every year too and that’s over $100.00
Pheasant stamps are supposed to increase this year too!
 

RednekF350

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Pheasant stamps are supposed to increase this year too!
One has to expect that for a put and take program like the NJ pheasant program. It's sad that all of the money, time and work that goes into raising the birds has no effect on establishing viable breeding populations in the wild. They put pen raised birds out, and you either either shoot them or let the foxes eat them. I have never bought a pheasant permit and I rarely enter a WMA except for an occasional deer or turkey hunt.

I am fortunate enough to be old enough to remember when New Jersey had a very good population of wild birds. (ignoring the fact that the Chinese Ringneck pheasant was a non-native brought here in the 1800s) My grandfather had a cousin in Evesboro who raised corn for his small dairy cow herd. We used to do very well in those stubble fields in the fall. They are some of my best hunting memories. That was late 60's and early 1970s.

My last enjoyable pheasant hunt was hunting wild birds in Lancaster PA in the late 1980's with a friend of mine who moved out there after college. We did very well for a few years, but it tailed off. The farmer was telling us that, in his opinion, the decline in the number of trappers has brought the pheasant and quail population down to almost nothing. He said that when he was younger nearly everyone in that area trapped. Pennsylvania was big on providing bounties, which was another incentive for trappers. He said he would run a tractor down along the hedgerows years ago and flush out nothing but pheasant. Now when he runs the tractor down those same hedgerows, he just pushes out foxes..
 
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bobpbx

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My last enjoyable pheasant hunt was hunting wild birds in Lancaster PA in the late 1980's with a friend of mine who moved out there after college. We did very well for a few years, but it tailed off. The farmer was telling us that, in his opinion, the decline in the number of trappers has brought the pheasant and quail population down to almost nothing. He said that when he was younger nearly everyone in that area trapped. Pennsylvania was big on providing bounties, which was another incentive for trappers. He said he would run a tractor down along the hedgerows years ago and flush out nothing but pheasant. Now when he runs the tractor down those same hedgerows, he just pushes out foxes..
Respectfully, I think you and I fundamentally disagree on this subject Scott. First you say you guys did very well bagging them, but then it tailed off, and the farmer says it's likely due to the scarcity of trappers. What about the shooting, there was no effect on the decline from that? Your stance seems to be that without hunting and trapping controlling animals, they would either run amuck or die off. Maybe if fox and coyote were not trapped or shot, they'd have to eat beaver or young deer, effectively and naturally culling the population. I'm all for that.

I was reading a national Geographic from the 90's last night. The author had someone take him trout fishing on the Shenandoah. The two of them came home with over 100 trout. What is the sense of that? Pretty soon we'll only have animals because we stock the fields and woods and streams. In some cases, it's true.
 
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RJG

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I think the fine for fishing without a license is $150 today?

Fishing License is required 16 years old and up.
Right now I’m half price senior until age 70 when it will be free. Not a great deal at all.
For hunting, I’m a senior for life with half price for archery and gun licenses. Trapping, the most expensive license of all at $35 doesn’t get discounted.
Deer and turkey permits don’t get discounted at all for seniors either.
I get non resident PA every year too and that’s over $100.00
I know it’s hard to believe, but NJ has one of the lowest fees for a fishing license in the country. I spent 8 days fishing in Maine last year and the licensing fees for a 10 day out of state fishing license was around $45.00.
 

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It is $31 in Vermont for 7 days. A three day is $23 and a one day is $21. I have bought them every year since 1967 and have been questioned twice.
The last time we were questioned we saw him coming toward us at the beach. Jessica ran up the hill to my relatives cabin to get our documents and he yelled at me for her to come back. When I told him she was just going for our license he calmed down. Turns out he grew up in Magnolia next door to the apartment complex my wife and I first lived at. We talked a while and he was much nicer.
 
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