Are there More Incised Society Stones?

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All,

In 1796 George Washington was still President (1789-1797), Napoleon Bonaparte got hitched to Josephine, the last British troops withdrew from America, and Tennessee was admitted at the 16th US state. While these are fun and interesting facts, what does this have to do with my outing you may ask? Let me explain.

As Al (manumuskin) and I have been searching for stones over the last few months, we have been trying to find incised stone placed by Elnathan Davis in 1796. Between the two of us we have found a few placed by him, but have been striking out with stones that included writing on them. Actually we had found some that originally had writing on them; however, they no longer did. A few weeks back we visited a location at the end of our day where we had hoped to find one, and as usual left disappointed. Many hours of research had gone into this and we wanted to get some results. So this week Al suggested we return there and give it one more try, so I reevaluated my info coming to the conclusion we were in the right location.

At 8:20 this morning we met along the road and discussed our strategy, and then drove as close to the spot we could. We basically had returned to the same location as before. It was knee high in vegetation, and not a good area to look. Roaming around we used some of our skills to make educated guesses on where to go, and I headed one way and Al the other. It is interesting how when your name is called, that you can tell what the results will be, and when I heard Al call my name I knew it was all worth while. By now it was 8:30AM.



This says “S” for Society, and 1796.


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If anyone else has visited and walked around this stone over the years, they may have thought this was all that was written on it, but Al and I knew better, so I hiked back to my car and retrieved my crowbar and headed back. Carefully digging around the stone to not damage it, we removed quite a bit of dirt and vegetation to reveal what must have been hidden for many years. Incised in the stone were what we had worked so hard to fine, the initials of Elnathan Davis. The day was young, but our day had already been etched in stone as a good one, since we had found what we had come for.

The letters "ED" for Elnathan Davis the surveyor of the property in 1796.


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If you are into movies such as National Treasure, or Indiana Jones (yes Al I remembered the name), you would think that all historical treasures are protected by some sort of trap to keep you from taking them. Well, this stone had just that, a discretly hidden .......well see for yourself.


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Guy
 

bobpbx

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Congratulations are in order for both of you! That really must have sent chills up your spines. Very exciting, and a most excellant find! Hard to top that one.
 

MarkBNJ

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That is incredibly cool, Guy. Well done, and congrats to both of you. It must have sent chills up your spines to see those initials emerge from the earth. Probably the first humans to set eyes on them in many, many decades.
 

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Thank you both for your kind words. Without Al I may not have found it so he deserves much of the credit for the actual find.

It made our day especially since for the most part the next 4 hours were not as productive. However, we will persevere and find a few others we are after.

Guy
 

Teegate

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And as usual I was wondering why would anyone put their initials on a stone and place it in the ground where they could not be viewed? So I am thinking that at one time they were above ground which means there is about 1 foot of ground cover and dirt that has accumulated over the 232 years. You agree?

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Great find Al and Guy. Looks like my lug wrench will be the order of the day for future digging. Is that the first time you ever found glass or any other sharp object around a Stone or Marker ?

Jim
 

Teegate

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I usually don't dig around them. In this instance I knew there was more to find.

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I was thinking to use it more as a probe to find the buried Geodetics, like BC 04 at Friendship for instance.

Jim
 

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Thanks for the credit Guy.I may have found the stone but you found the line and I had a hunch it was right instead of left and i wasn't going nowhere near those yellerjackets.I'm sure you'd of found it in a few minutes anyway.
The map told us the inscriptions were there and the map was created in the 70's.something tells me that stone wasn't dug up in the 70's.we had to dig close a foot down as you said and roots were all wrapped around it too.I think the map maker had survey info from long ago that stated their was an inscription.Those letters and numbers may not have been viewed in 150 years since the gradually became covered.
ps
I wonder if george washington slept there.he could have:)
Al
 

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I had dangerously drug Al out to a bay-side marsh island late last night (hoping to hear & record some owl action, with no luck) and he related this particular stone adventure to me.

Boy, Gentlemen! With reading the accounts here and hearing Al's, it's obviously certain it requires plenty of planning, plodding, & patience in finding these stones out. One thing I've learned in life is that a combination of passion and patience leads to remarkable finds and rewards. It seems like each week results in revelation with you two. Well, it is no surprise to me to see Al's success rate here -- I've followed this man as he's tracked around the woods (for most of my adult life) and never fail to be amazed. Al told me last night, "Guy's better than me at plotting this stuff out, Dude." Sounds like an A-team to me!

Fascinating stuff! Keep up the good work.

Bill
 

manumuskin

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He's also better at slipping through briars unscathed then I am.Sometimes i use the bulldozer approach.I have noticed if it's really thick sometimes he gets behind me though and lets me break trail:)
So far I've found nine stones off of my own plots.another one i plotted correctly but missed it and when i went back with Guy who had plotted virtually the same spot he found it.I have had an advantage as i live much closer and work nights so I have been cheating and running out on weekdays and finding some.I asked him if this bothered him,if so I'd wait for the weekends but he actually encouraged me to look on the weekdays and thats why we had to give a day to playing catch up so I could take him to my weekday finds.Right now were busy plotting two more off of the one we found yesterday.We tried to find these two yesterday but we were off over a hundred feet on the last one and this puts us off on these too.Now we have a location these plots should be on.One is quite close so should be easy but the other one is over three and a half miles away and the further away you plot the greater the margin of error what with declination changes and all.This really should be done in the winter but we can't wait.It's fascinating to find a stone inscribed by a man over 200 years ago that you've actually read about and been tracking down.This Elnathan davis was chief of surveyors of salem county which back then comprised cumbeland county as well.He was noted to a large strong man.It would take a strong man to heft some of these stones.Some of them being quite isolated makes you wonder how the got such heavy objects out there.Guy and i discussed this and figure the woods were probably mostly levelled back then due to the active iron industry in this area at that time.Much of these tracts of woods may have even been farmland back then.
Al
 

Teegate

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I would not call that cheating, I would call it taking advantage of living close. Nothing wrong with that.

If you want me to take the front in briers from now on, I will gladly do that. I am not going to let them stop me from getting to where I want to go.


Guy
 

manumuskin

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thats ok about the briars.I don't think you'd make a hole big enough for me to fit through unless you were wielding a machete which I've found to be quite useless in a briar thicket anyway.they work great on banana plants but good tough catbriar tangles are more then a match for a machete.
Al
 

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And as usual I was wondering why would anyone put their initials on a stone and place it in the ground where they could not be viewed? So I am thinking that at one time they were above ground which means there is about 1 foot of ground cover and dirt that has accumulated over the 232 years. You agree?

Guy

I think a foot in 232 years sounds like too much to me. But perhaps in a forest it could accumulate that rapidly. I don't know, there seems to be something fitting about his burying the initials. Like they weren't meant for the casual observer, but were there for a brother surveyor to find some day.

Did he initial any of his other stones out in the open where it could be easily read?
 

manumuskin

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Mark.
We've found one other stone that was supposed to be inscribed but it wasn't.either it has worn away or it was buried also.we didn't dig because one it was in a swamp and quite wet and we also didn't think of it.This stone we just found had an S showing above ground which we assume means society.That gace us the clue to dig.also this stone only sticks up about 10 inches so we though their might be much more underground.the other stone in the swamp was knee high and hence had plenty of above ground room for inscriptions.It might be worth it to go back to it and dig but i have a gut feeling it's not inscribed.
Al
 
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