Beyond Lyme

GermanG

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http://wshu.org/post/beyond-lyme-new-tick-borne-diseases-rise-us
Another thing that might help would be wildfire but then again that is unacceptable.

I used to think the same thing Al, but I've been amazed at how many ticks I picked up within a piece of woods we burned the very year before. Their reproductive capability is so great, it takes little time for them to repopulate a given area. Granted, that is prescribed burning , not wildfire. But prescribed burns that slowly creep against the wind tend to scorch the leaf and low shrub layer more thoroughly than wildfire does, which usually is moving through an area quickly, burning mostly the higher fuels where there are less ticks.
 
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manumuskin

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Well then maybe toxic mouse tunnels may be the way to go.As a young teenager my uncle kept snakes and i would scour the woods for white footed (Deer) mice and catch them bare handed to feed his snakes.It's a wonder I didn't end up with Lymes,of course this was late 70's,Lymes probably didn't exist back then.
 
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Well then maybe toxic mouse tunnels may be the way to go.As a young teenager my uncle kept snakes and i would scour the woods for white footed (Deer) mice and catch them bare handed to feed his snakes.It's a wonder I didn't end up with Lymes,of course this was late 70's,Lymes probably didn't exist back then.
Definitely concerning. I already limit my field excursions to on trail experiences and even then I am constantly checking for ticks. Permethrin and DEET are great but traversing waist high grasses or through thick underbrush seems like a recipe for ticks to latch onto oneself. It is unfortunate as many prime habitats for flora and fauna are off trail but I just cant justify the risk. I do hope some form of vaccine or preventive eventually becomes available. Be safe out there! I do remember taking breaks on my many hikes in the 90's on the bare sand and never thinking twice about it.....not anymore.
 

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But prescribed burns that slowly creep against the wind tend to scorch the leaf and low shrub layer more thoroughly than wildfire does, which usually is moving through an area quickly, burning mostly the higher fuels where there are less ticks.

German, I have seen the land after a wildfire, and it sure is scorched! Yes, those wildfires move quickly, but they are so damn hot that virtually nothing remains that is not burnt to a crisp. Are you aware of a study done? This is an interesting topic.
 
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I do hope some form of vaccine or preventive eventually becomes available.

There were 2 human vaccines about 15 years ago. One for dogs has been around several years. The human versions were discontinued in 2002 for a number of reasons, safety being one. A trial done and published in the Lancet in 2013 at the link. The one for dogs is still available; LymeVax from Zoetis.

http://thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(13)70110-5/abstract?cc=y=

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-lyme-disease-vaccine

https://academic.oup.com/cid/articl...ccines-against-Lyme-Disease-What-Happened-and
 

GermanG

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German, I have seen the land after a wildfire, and it sure is scorched! Yes, those wildfires move quickly, but they are so damn hot that virtually nothing remains that is not burnt to a crisp. Are you aware of a study done? This is an interesting topic.

You are right Bob, and that's why I snuck the word "usually" in there. Every fire burns differently, depending on the ground moisture, humidity, wind speed, and fuel amount and distribution. A piece of land with heavy fuel in the shrub and low tree layer will obviously burn hotter lower to the ground. Forests which have had prescribed burns or wildfire more frequently in the past, such as the those at Wells Mills, which I was referring, to will tend to result in wildfire moving through the higher levels of the canopy. But no fire burns uniformly, since the fuels within it will not be uniform. I've walked burns afterward and seen areas the fire went completely around without burning anything, other spots that showed the scorched earth you spoke of and everything in-between.
 

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There were 2 human vaccines about 15 years ago. One for dogs has been around several years. The human versions were discontinued in 2002 for a number of reasons, safety being one. A trial done and published in the Lancet in 2013 at the link. The one for dogs is still available; LymeVax from Zoetis.

http://thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(13)70110-5/abstract?cc=y=

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-lyme-disease-vaccine

https://academic.oup.com/cid/articl...ccines-against-Lyme-Disease-What-Happened-and
Both my Labs get the vaccine every year.
 

46er

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First I have heard of this;
Last year, the CDC reported a new species of bacteria that causes Lyme disease. Up until then, researchers only recognized one bacteria species that carried the disease. While the new species causes most of the same symptoms as the old one, it also adds nausea and vomiting to the list. At the same time, it produces a rash that spreads out more rather than resembling a bullseye.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2016/p0208-lyme-disease.html
 
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