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Geologist Blends Science and Folklore of the Jersey Devil
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Thanks Guy,
Stories of Great-great Grandfather were passed on to me by my grandmother, my mom, and Mom’s eleven siblings. My grandmother could not read or write, but “Horsey Bubba” was none-the-less bright; the Horsey relating to her Percheron draft horse in the barn. An oral tradition was very much a part of growing up on a Pine Barrens farm, hence my keen interest in other Pinelands folk tales.
Recent archeological work supports the old family lore. Our ancestral village of Jawornik was named for its forest of Sycamore Maple (Acer pseudoplatanus). It was apparently also troubled by vampires. This topic recently made much international press. Some examples:
A Report from the Trip
Roll Over Dracula ‘Vampire Cemetery’ Found in Poland
Happy Halloween!
Stories of Great-great Grandfather were passed on to me by my grandmother, my mom, and Mom’s eleven siblings. My grandmother could not read or write, but “Horsey Bubba” was none-the-less bright; the Horsey relating to her Percheron draft horse in the barn. An oral tradition was very much a part of growing up on a Pine Barrens farm, hence my keen interest in other Pinelands folk tales.
Recent archeological work supports the old family lore. Our ancestral village of Jawornik was named for its forest of Sycamore Maple (Acer pseudoplatanus). It was apparently also troubled by vampires. This topic recently made much international press. Some examples:
A Report from the Trip
In this region, according to the legends there was a special faith in ghosts, phantoms and vampires and of course people were really afraid of them...It is written about it in the book entitled: ‘The funeral customs of Osława, Osławica and Klaniczka Valley’ by Oskar Kolberg. The last funerals of the vampires took place in XX century. The customs connected with the faith in vampires and other bad ghosts were practiced in other villages...
Roll Over Dracula ‘Vampire Cemetery’ Found in Poland
A chilling find has been made in Poland: at least 17 skeletons buried with the skulls severed and placed between the knees or hands. That, say archaeologists, is how vampires used to be interred, to stop them rising from the dead. Construction workers building a road near the town of Gliwice in southern Poland this month came across four skeletons buried in a bizarre way. Their skulls had been cut off and placed between the knees or hands of the dead. Later, a further 13 skeletons arranged in a similar way were found...
Archaeologists Suspect Vampire Burial; An Undead Primer
When archaeologists opened an ancient grave at a highway construction site near Glicwice, Poland they came across a scene from a horror movie: a suspected vampire burial. Interred in the ground were skeletal remains of humans whose severed heads rested upon their legs—an ancient Slavic burial practice for disposing of suspected vampires, in hopes that decapitated individuals wouldn't be able to rise from their tombs...
Happy Halloween!
“Yes, you can see what people think are mine shafts filled with water, but these are pits made from quickly melting permafrost.” The same types of holes or pits are being found in Siberia today as permafrost melts due to global warming, he said.
Could gas explosions have formed our blue holes?
Good stuff, Spung-Man. I might be able to use some of this folklore for material for a new song.
Could gas explosions have formed our blue holes?
Good stuff, Spung-Man. I might be able to use some of this folklore for material for a new song.
Good question, Gabe. The reporter misunderstood that aspect of my talk. I don't always do a very good job when simplifying complex events. For example, permafrost does not melt, it thaws. Ground ice melts. A rock that remained at below freezing temperatures for two years is permafrost affected, yet it doesn't melt upon warming. South Jersey was not very icy during cold periods. There aren't decent modern analogs for our past permafrost cold, dry, and windy realm.
No, blue holes are just strong spring sites that flowed even during Pleistocene frozen ground conditions creating broad sheets of river ice or icings. BTW, there is no evidence of methane explosions in Yamal either. As I understand the crater rim formed when a large slug of thawing ground dropped into a cavity formed by underground erosion or "suffosion." Bottom sediments splashed to the surface driven by the enormous weight of the drop plug.
Small pits along riverbanks are also caused by suffosion, but on a much, much smaller scale than in Yamal and in a very different manner. In Yamal the permafrost is thick and icy and saline. Pine Barrens permafrost was relatively thin and ice poor. Some very limited suffosion occurred here due to riverbank thermal erosion of frozen ground.
I'm giving a couple talks on the Ice Age geology of Pine Barrens wetlands, if curious.
S-M
No, blue holes are just strong spring sites that flowed even during Pleistocene frozen ground conditions creating broad sheets of river ice or icings. BTW, there is no evidence of methane explosions in Yamal either. As I understand the crater rim formed when a large slug of thawing ground dropped into a cavity formed by underground erosion or "suffosion." Bottom sediments splashed to the surface driven by the enormous weight of the drop plug.
Small pits along riverbanks are also caused by suffosion, but on a much, much smaller scale than in Yamal and in a very different manner. In Yamal the permafrost is thick and icy and saline. Pine Barrens permafrost was relatively thin and ice poor. Some very limited suffosion occurred here due to riverbank thermal erosion of frozen ground.
I'm giving a couple talks on the Ice Age geology of Pine Barrens wetlands, if curious.
10-18-14 – 7:00 PM Saturday
Soggy Ground: Valuing Pine Barrens Wetlands
Speaker’s Series, Atlantic County Park System
Warren Fox Nature Center (the website has the wrong place!!!)
Estell Manor, NJ
Soggy Ground: Valuing Pine Barrens Wetlands
Speaker’s Series, Atlantic County Park System
Warren Fox Nature Center (the website has the wrong place!!!)
Estell Manor, NJ
11-06-14 – 6:00 PM Thursday
Soggy Ground: Valuing Pine Barrens Wetlands
Speaker’s Series, Delaware Bayshore Chapter, New Jersey Native Plant Society
American Littoral Society
135 N. High Street (across from Levoy Theatre).
Millville, NJ
Soggy Ground: Valuing Pine Barrens Wetlands
Speaker’s Series, Delaware Bayshore Chapter, New Jersey Native Plant Society
American Littoral Society
135 N. High Street (across from Levoy Theatre).
Millville, NJ
S-M
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Interesting thread! I'm sorry to hear that the water level is dropping so much in the PB. The great Pine Barrens aquifer is one of the things that John McPhee talked about in his famous book, and how the water down there was all good to drink.
And for Halloween: Long ago, two days after Halloween, I was hiking alone under the Palisades cliffs along the Hudson River (no, not a Pine Barrens story), and it was dusk, getting dark, when I came to a long unused and overgrown one-time boat landing dock and picnic area called Twombley's Landing, and it was there that I met two real witches. True story. Very scary!
As for the NJPB, I used to want to get someone to camp out with me down there on Halloween night, but I never could.
And for Halloween: Long ago, two days after Halloween, I was hiking alone under the Palisades cliffs along the Hudson River (no, not a Pine Barrens story), and it was dusk, getting dark, when I came to a long unused and overgrown one-time boat landing dock and picnic area called Twombley's Landing, and it was there that I met two real witches. True story. Very scary!
As for the NJPB, I used to want to get someone to camp out with me down there on Halloween night, but I never could.