Go with the flow, I say.
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Smart Thinking
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I believe schools need to go along with the changes of generations. As long as the kids are still getting a good education I agree, go with the flow.
whatever happened to actually going over and knocking on the door and actually taking off with the huffy's in the woods?Cell phone?what the heck is that?when i was in school a calculator would get you detention,now their a requirement???I'm over the hill:-(
Biting my tongue on this one, but this country is getting softer and weaker Skill level 0! Wow I can text 30 words a second .:words:
"the new plan also gives students more priviledges and responsibilities, along with serious penalties for violations"
Sounds like real life to me. I went to a vocational high school (where they sent the bad kids, as my friends said). The atmosphere was more like a work place than a high school, and it seemed to work.
Sounds like real life to me. I went to a vocational high school (where they sent the bad kids, as my friends said). The atmosphere was more like a work place than a high school, and it seemed to work.
I think the one downfall to allowing cell phones in schools is just how readily accessible the internet (and therefore plagiarism and cheating) would be to students. I know from friends that are teachers that it is already a problem when they are grading papers written at home; they can never be certain that a student didn't just find the paper online somewhere and turn it in as their own work.
As far as not understanding todays technology, i do not believe thats a valid reason on not having them in school. I do believe ariadne has a semi-valid point. However when someone is using a phone it is pretty obvious where their eyes are facing esp if its a written assignment. to copy something from a cell onto paper, the students eyes will consistantly be going up and down from wherever he/she are trying to hide the actual phone. I believe if the tyeacher is doing their jon, paying attention to the students, cheating would not be a common problem with this idea. I love my phone. I also remember calculators not being allowed in schools but now that I'm in the working world I do NOT understand why. Everyday I'm in the working world I have access to a calculator and if I can't find it, I just bust out the cell phone and go to the calculator app on it.
Regarding cheating, they are only cheating themselves. Case in point: my daughter graduated with a degree in accounting this year. She went to an interview with an accounting firm last week. They slid a 100 question accounting quiz across the table to her and she had to complete it on the spot. I think firms do a fairly good job of vetting.
I don't meant to stop trying to catch them, but really, they only hurt themselves (well, maybe our society too).
I don't meant to stop trying to catch them, but really, they only hurt themselves (well, maybe our society too).
Amazing. Saying much more than that would only get me in trouble. This is ridiculous and society continues to cave as the years go by. Oh my God. Cells phones in school? Come on now. I really have so much more to say, but it would probably be taken out of context, so I'll shut up about it. Simply amazing.
Just go to a fast food place and pay with almost the exact change. The look of confusion on the young person's face is scary.
The US education system is consider one of the worst at educating in the world.
This ranking is for basic math from 2004, probably worse by now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/daily/graphics/math_120704.html
The full report.
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2005/2005003.pdf
If we can't get the basics of math across to kids, the future is lost.
is that all to be blamed on cell phones? I did not have a cell phone, I graduated right on the border time,99. The people at fast food joints that can't count change are those who have chose to know what they know. being drops outs or other degenerates. I never went through college, I do my own pay checks in my head deducting taxes and everything else, 90% of the time right to the cent. I have also seen people come into this refginery, hired based on that they had a degree. I would much rather have some of the other canidates that did not have degrees but a few years of experience. I dunno. the original subject of the post is cell phones allowed in a school but not during class, I don't see the problem.
That isn't the "original subject", read the article again. Cell phone use is only one of a number of changes. I don't think there's anything wrong with trying different approaches to education. There is something about this that makes me wonder if it's just another form of giving kids whatever they want so they'll behave themselves however.
I guess if the teachers feel it's working, then it's OK. I didn't get a cell phone until I was 50 years old. How did I ever survive before then? I find everyone's obsession with being constantly "connected" today rather troubling though - and I'm pretty bad about it myself. Walk down any street in New York or Philadelphia and it seems like about one person in every five is completely absorbed in their own world, texting/talking/e-mailing/websurfing on their phones. As you drive down the street, people will walk right out in front of you without even looking because mentally they're somewhere else.
I hope you're wrong Nascar, but our society may very well "cave in" if this trend is followed to the logical conclusion...
Allowing the phones between classes makes sense. Its almost like....(dare I)?.....keeping the extreme 4 wheelers in their own little pits. You are okay there, but don't you dare stray or you get severely punished.
Also, 8 classes a day with a 20 minute lunch squeezed in sounds like torture. I like what they did there.
Also, 8 classes a day with a 20 minute lunch squeezed in sounds like torture. I like what they did there.
It's always hard to figure out what is an emerging problem, and what is change that you can't do anything about. The Internet is something my Dad and I argue about often. He's right about all the negatives, but my point is that the negatives don't matter. Gutenberg's invention frightened the hell out of the Catholic church and much of European nobility because of what it threatened to do: decentralize knowledge and power. They couldn't put that cat back in the bag, and I don't think we can either. I don't know what kind of world will emerge from the always-there network, but my ignorance isn't going to stop it from being born 
.
If a child really wants a good education, that child will probably get one if you just drop them off at the library every morning and pick them up in the afternoon. Give an unmotivated kid who already has everything he wants access to the best educational facility in the world and he'll just piss on the carpet. In my opinion nothing is going to change until we get back to basics, and get the politicians and the unions out of the education business, but even more so we need to recover some character as a country, and I'm actually hopeful the current shock might help.
.If a child really wants a good education, that child will probably get one if you just drop them off at the library every morning and pick them up in the afternoon. Give an unmotivated kid who already has everything he wants access to the best educational facility in the world and he'll just piss on the carpet. In my opinion nothing is going to change until we get back to basics, and get the politicians and the unions out of the education business, but even more so we need to recover some character as a country, and I'm actually hopeful the current shock might help.
The things that got to me is the reporter's amazement at the fact that they "even do classwork" while eating lunch in the library. That, along with the coffee bar in the library. You must be kidding me. I also think I speak from jealousy. We were happy if our milk had ice in it instead of being room temp.
As far as plagarism, I'm sure many teachers, when students reach the H.S. level, require an electronic file be turned in along with a hard copy of any papers. This allows teachers to submit anything they find suspicious to a site such as "Turnitin" to check for plagarism. We use this at the college I attend and it's very accurate, in my opinion.
We complain about progress, and in some aspects, I think we are correct that kids just have it way too easy but seriously, didn't we hear the same things from our parents?
As far as plagarism, I'm sure many teachers, when students reach the H.S. level, require an electronic file be turned in along with a hard copy of any papers. This allows teachers to submit anything they find suspicious to a site such as "Turnitin" to check for plagarism. We use this at the college I attend and it's very accurate, in my opinion.
We complain about progress, and in some aspects, I think we are correct that kids just have it way too easy but seriously, didn't we hear the same things from our parents?