Big Fire Near The Boot Camp
- Thread starter Teegate
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Anyone remember the final acreage on the Tea Time Hill Fire last July? I thought that was over 5,000 acres, but can only find 4,000. This one being 5,000 acres would be a good deal larger, unless they reduce the final acreage due to a more accurate measurement or swamps being subtracted.
Last update from 8 pm yesterday was 5,500 acres and 70% contained so it probably won't get much larger. Could be smaller if internal swampy areas are removed due to not actually igniting.
I was looking at the various maps and noticed that in the LIDAR view of that area you can see the road name near the fire location (from the FFS maps) and I guess that name of the road was taken from a small drainage? No idea what a spung is, but my guess is a lost English word for creek or swampy area, similar to loblolly. When you look at the DEP 2024 map, the road is named Lower Forge-High Crossing.
Interesting thing about the sensitivity of the LIDAR map is that you can see the old fire breaks in the area between Tuckerton RD and the Basto River, south of the Central Line.
I was looking at the various maps and noticed that in the LIDAR view of that area you can see the road name near the fire location (from the FFS maps) and I guess that name of the road was taken from a small drainage? No idea what a spung is, but my guess is a lost English word for creek or swampy area, similar to loblolly. When you look at the DEP 2024 map, the road is named Lower Forge-High Crossing.
Interesting thing about the sensitivity of the LIDAR map is that you can see the old fire breaks in the area between Tuckerton RD and the Basto River, south of the Central Line.
@Spung-Man can probably explain that better than anyone else around here.
It's not clear to me which maps you're talking about. But this is Mines Spung Road. You can see that Lower Forge-High Crossing Road is actually South of there.
BTW, I think it's Bulldozed Road and not "Bulldozer" Road.
Interesting bit a trivia here, this road is not shown on the USGS 24k topo maps, it was probably created after work concluded on those maps. It does appear on the new USGS digital topo's however. This was something we discussed in the past, in relation to the roads that NJDEP was planning to close.
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Click the NJPB Maps on the top. Move the map over the area of the fire.
Left side drop down, it should say "Map". Click and drop down to either LIDAR or 2024 DEP.
OK... I made that LIDAR map myself in 2013. I removed it from my site later because it's just full of errors, the resolution is very low and the coverage area is limited. Ben said he would like to use it here though, so I gave it to him. IMO, nobody should use that map today it's very misleading. We have an old thread where a member came up with a whole theory about non-existant geographic features, based on errors in the data. Of course, you are welcome to use whatever maps you like though.
I have three LIDAR based maps of the pines on my site with much higher resolution data, plus the big LIDAR map of the whole Northeastern US. And if you really want to explore the LIDAR imagery, use the 3d terrain viewer which gives you complete control over map rendering.
I have three LIDAR based maps of the pines on my site with much higher resolution data, plus the big LIDAR map of the whole Northeastern US. And if you really want to explore the LIDAR imagery, use the 3d terrain viewer which gives you complete control over map rendering.
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Well, the USGS certainly knows where Mines Spung Road is. It's shown on their current digital US Topo map. 
https://boydsmaps.com/#15.00/39.760299/-74.647034/ustopo2023/0.00/0.00
https://boydsmaps.com/#15.00/39.760299/-74.647034/ustopo2023/0.00/0.00
About twenty or more years ago, I started frequenting the area around Bulldozer Road and Mannis Duck Pond, back when NJFW first instituted the Coyote-Fox predator season. That season runs from January 1 to March 15 every year. I clearly remember the State's routered wood signs high in the trees indicating, "Bulldozer Road"@Spung-Man
BTW, I think it's Bulldozed Road and not "Bulldozer" Road.
Very interesting! All the maps I've seen have said "Bulldozed", I think the old Garmin topo's said that and the USGS calls it "Bulldozed" now. Don't ever recall seeing it called "Bulldozer" until this fire map.
Did a quick search, and we have posts going back to 2003 that reference "Bulldozed Road". But it's funny - the majority of posts in that search weren't about the road at all, they used "bulldozed" as a verb to describe something that was demolished.
Did a quick search, and we have posts going back to 2003 that reference "Bulldozed Road". But it's funny - the majority of posts in that search weren't about the road at all, they used "bulldozed" as a verb to describe something that was demolished.
Going by memory, a spung is a circular depression in the landscape formed by cold and fast glacial winds...a blow out if you will, of the loose soil. This was thousands of years ago, when the glacier terminal moraine was parked in North Jersey.
PBX had a trip named "The Woods of Mine Spung". It was in 2015.
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Well, depending on what the pre-fire conditions were for this area, perhaps there will be a flourishing of pitcher plants and other species. I know along the section Batona near Tuckerton RD there were quite a few Turkey Beard plants that had been over topped by shrubs.
I remember it well. My Springer, Murph, attended that one. I miss that boy.
