The Great Cedar Swamp Crossing, A PBX Hike

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On Sunday 11/16/2025 Bob sent this edited message to all PBX members.

Hello explorer friends of mine,


I told most of you at the last tailgate after the Forks trip that I was bound and determined to cross the Great Cedar Swamp in Cape May County soon on a mostly sunny and decent temperature day. It’s too far a drive to gamble with the weather. I also said you would get very short notice, and that I’d still go even if only one person joined me. Well, that day has come.

I am going this Tuesday, November 18. This will be a tough trip even though only 3.5 miles, because who knows what we’ll run into. I’m not thinking briar (though that will be ‘somewhere’ in there). My only worry is the shrubs. I was in this swamp before, and true to form, when you get away from the marginal areas near roads and trails where all plants are clamoring for a piece of the sun, things do space out.

We’ll meet at 9:30 AM at a public parking lot east of Dennisville Road (rt. 628).

Let me know if you’ll be coming so I can look out for you.


Happy Trails!

So yesterday Bob, myself and M1Abrams ventured to the Dennisville area in Cape May County and headed into the Great Swamp. Things were going well at first.

This is pretty much how the beginning looked like.

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Bob and John

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About a quarter of the way across the swamp a solid wall of vegetation came into view and it was almost noon at this time. Unsure what lied ahead we decided to give up and return since we only had gone part way and the sun would set in a little more than 4 hours.

On the way back.

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This area was logged before 1931 as one can see the roads on the 1931 aerial. We came to one of the forks in that old and long unused road.

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Around 1:45 we finally retreated out of the swamp to a trail along the edge of the upland. Remember, we are in Cape May County. As we started down the trail two dogs were coming towards us and then a man appeared holding the leashes. He passed by me and as he met up with Bob his expression changed. He then said "I know you, you are Guy and Bob." It turns out it was a member of this site. A very small world. We had a few minutes of discussion and he walked back with us towards our vehicles.

Where our vehicles were parked, there was what I believe to be a large sawmill operation many years ago so we spent some time there while I explored much of it.

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It has been reported that some of the trees that came out of the swamp years ago were extremely large. If this is where they placed them they must have planned ahead when making this.

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We found evidence of RR ties under the dirt telling me that donkey rails were used to move the wood between saws and maybe to the road.

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Notice the curved or circular deck of some sort.

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And near the above sawmill was this huge steel pipe solid in the ground

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Our tracks show how little distance we accomplished.

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Watch the video below.

Click Here For A Video Of The Structures
 
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bobpbx

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I aim to cross that swamp, by God! I made the trip too long. Al warned me in an email about the briar he ran into. I knew that when we had to pick up a dead log and let it fall on the briar so we could get through it, that it'd be a long day of doing that. I may try a straight line crossing in the future, and just keep picking my way through. There is more cedar in there than it looks on the aerial.

Not very diverse in there. Atlantic White cedar, Red Maple, American holly, Swamp Magnolia, Sphagnum moss, Mountain Laurel and a few sedge species.

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manumuskin

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You tried crossing in the exact area I crossed 35 years ago.I hit that briar wall in the middle as well.We made it across but parts we had to roll across in our heavy winter coats and carharts.We also ran down fallen trees like squirrels.I wanted to recross on the way back but by the time we got across I said hell no and we snuk across some private fields to get back to the old rr grade and recrossed on the grade that follow the highway.I remember making a mental call that I had no inclination of ever trying that again.

I would like to see the swamp north of 550 and see if it's just as nasty.I have canoed into the swamp from both direction as far as i could ge,actually I kayaked in.had otters following me on Dennis creek and swimming under my kayak,it was winter. The hike was in the late 80s and all I had back then was a topo map and compass.No Gps,no aerials.All I saw was a huge swamp across Cape May County that said GREAT CEDAR SWAMP and I was hooked.

I had to see the place.I like cedar and I like swamps.The map was a liar though,virtually all of the cedar was gone:-( I have read old local history books since then that explain that it was logged out in the 1800s and i was a hundred years too late,They obviously had no cedar regeneration projects going on back then so ow it is just the Great Briar Swamp.
Bob have you been into Timber Beaver swamp yet?

In my opinion a much more enjoyable swamp with some awesome beech covered islands in it and some cool chest deep wading almost like a cypress swamp from water backed up by Clint Millpond dam,only the western center of the swamp is flooded like that.
 

bobpbx

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You tried crossing in the exact area I crossed 35 years ago.I hit that briar wall in the middle as well.We made it across but parts we had to roll across in our heavy winter coats and carharts.We also ran down fallen trees like squirrels.I wanted to recross on the way back but by the time we got across I said hell no and we snuk across some private fields to get back to the old rr grade and recrossed on the grade that follow the highway.I remember making a mental call that I had no inclination of ever trying that again.

I would like to see the swamp north of 550 and see if it's just as nasty.I have canoed into the swamp from both direction as far as i could ge,actually I kayaked in.had otters following me on Dennis creek and swimming under my kayak,it was winter. The hike was in the late 80s and all I had back then was a topo map and compass.No Gps,no aerials.All I saw was a huge swamp across Cape May County that said GREAT CEDAR SWAMP and I was hooked.

I had to see the place.I like cedar and I like swamps.The map was a liar though,virtually all of the cedar was gone:-( I have read old local history books since then that explain that it was logged out in the 1800s and i was a hundred years too late,They obviously had no cedar regeneration projects going on back then so ow it is just the Great Briar Swamp.
Bob have you been into Timber Beaver swamp yet?

In my opinion a much more enjoyable swamp with some awesome beech covered islands in it and some cool chest deep wading almost like a cypress swamp from water backed up by Clint Millpond dam,only the western center of the swamp is flooded like that.
Yeah Al, I told Guy and John that if we get close to those fields we could bail out there and walk the margin. Problem is, with all the hummock hopping, striding over down trees, watching your feet so you don't get into a soft spot, and ducking under briar, I felt we'd all expire trying to get out in the dark.

I have not hit beaver swamp yet, as I'm still working the National Wildlife Preserve. But next year I may stop in there. What's it like?

I have been tentatively into the swamp north of 550, but mostly via powerlines. I think it's likely to be the same. Below I've marked up where I've been there so far.

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M1 Abrams

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After Buck Run and the Forks, yours truly felt as if he had successfully passed PBX 101. It's a shame we were not able to make it all the way through yesterday, but it was still a great day and a great privilege to be out there with Bob and Guy. (After finishing, I told Bob that if I hadn't said at the end of Buck Run that PBX was stuck with me for the duration, there's no way I would have joined them in the swamp. That, of course, was an absolute lie. Good luck to anyone who tried to stop me.)

You tried crossing in the exact area I crossed 35 years ago...We also ran down fallen trees like squirrels.

I can imagine you at 26, Al, running down trees like a squirrel. Did you see Guy's picture of me on the tree? At 67, you'd have to do a lot of squinting to see any hint of squirrel-like tendencies with me!

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Guy and Bob discussing the way forward.

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We were very isolated in the swamp, but there were moments where I had the feeling there were eyes on us.

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You can see that it was getting thicker at this point.

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Our numbers doubled (four humans, two dogs), we headed down the trail.

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At the sawmill ruins near the end of the hike.

(Edit 11/20/25: Added picture #4, heading down trail.)
 
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Bob, you need to go back. Behind that briar is where the water oaks are hiding. Per AI (not AL), they are particularly well-suited for wet environment, such as the flood plains of rivers and streams, swamps, and bottomland forest. Have you ever seen briar that thick before? Who knows that might be a rare southrn species.
 

bobpbx

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Bob, you need to go back. Behind that briar is where the water oaks are hiding. Per AI (not AL), they are particularly well-suited for wet environment, such as the flood plains of rivers and streams, swamps, and bottomland forest. Have you ever seen briar that thick before? Who knows that might be a rare southrn species.
Yes, I've see briar just as bad before. Parts of Penn State Forest are particularly bad. Also, west of the upper Batsto, north of the furnace area. However, usually we can just go around it, or push over it, if it's not never-ending. But this stuff had us trapped. We could only retreat or head NW. I'm going to try again, using a different route. Below is the knot of frustration.

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Yeah Al, I told Guy and John that if we get close to those fields we could bail out there and walk the margin. Problem is, with all the hummock hopping, striding over down trees, watching your feet so you don't get into a soft spot, and ducking under briar, I felt we'd all expire trying to get out in the dark.

I have not hit beaver swamp yet, as I'm still working the National Wildlife Preserve. But next year I may stop in there. What's it like?
The Beaver swamp from my memory was almost briar free once you get past the edge.It's a wet swamp and as you approach the Millpond its gets wetter from water backed up into the swamp.Its mostly a classic maple gum swamp.I don't remember any swamp in it.There is a small barely above water level beec covered island right near the edge of open water and that was my target first time i went there.I only had a topo and compass and had to lay a bearing from high ground and hold that for a mile and hoped to hit it.I missed by about a hundred feet off the north edge and ran into a humongous duck blind with a large platform about eight ft above the water.This blind is accessible by water and is on the edge of the pond.I had been watching for pines as a clue to high ground and seen no pines.When I climbed up on the platform I could now look to the south and see the island a hundred ft away.The beech in winter look just like maple from a distance,there was no pine to clue me into high ground.The island would maybe be possible to find a spot to sit on that wasnt wet but it is only inches above water level.
I have kayaked into both ends of the swamp from Dennis and Cedar Creeks.Both were gorgeous trips.You don't get far into the swamp on the Cedar end but you do get there,on the Dennis end you are stopped by down cedar logs before the woods close in,it's basically freshwater marsh in a drowned cedar swamp of skeletons at that point.
My theory is that when they logged the swamp the center was cedar and when they ripped i tall out they left a bare wasteland with no canopy.The hole filled in with a thick briar wall an here 140 years later it's still there.I don't know if the trees growing in the wall now are capable of ever shading the briars out.I think once established the only thing that can ill them is a fire hot enough to destroy the rhizomes running in the top foot or so of soil.Would have loved to seen it before my ancestors destroyed it.My ancestor Jacob Creamer either ran or at least worked at a sawmill in the area in the Petersburg area.He was probably part of the people that took the cedar.
I have been tentatively into the swamp north of 550, but mostly via powerlines. I think it's likely to be the same. Below I've marked up where I've been there so far.

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After Buck Run and the Forks, yours truly felt as if he had successfully passed PBX 101. It's a shame we were not able to make it all the way through yesterday, but it was still a great day and a great privilege to be out there with Bob and Guy. (After finishing, I told Bob that if I hadn't said at the end of Buck Run that PBX was stuck with me for the duration, there's no way I would have joined them in the swamp. That, of course, was an absolute lie. Good luck to anyone who tried to stop me.)



I can imagine you at 26, Al, running down trees like a squirrel. Did you see Guy's picture of me on the tree? At 67, you'd have to do a lot of squinting to see any hint of squirrel-like tendencies with me!

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Guy and Bob discussing the way forward.

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We were very isolated in the swamp, but there were moments where I had the feeling there were eyes on us.

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You can see that it was getting thicker at this point.

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Our numbers doubled (four humans, two dogs), we headed down the trail.

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At the sawmill ruins near the end of the hike.

(Edit 11/20/25: Added picture #4, heading down trail.)
I take it thats your back I see walking down a big log? yeah thats how we got across only some of them were much higher above the ground.I had Bobby with me,He was much more squirrel like then me but at about 175 back then I was much more squirrely then i am now.
 
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I take it thats your back I see walking down a big log? yeah thats how we got across only some of them were much higher above the ground.I had Bobby with me,He was much more squirrel like then me but at about 175 back then I was much more squirrely then i am now.

I was lighter in my early 20s too, but yours truly is named for a tank, after all. Back in the day, while possessing plenty of strength, flexibility and agility were never strong points for me. I could never scamper over trees in any manner vaguely resembling a squirrel.

Now when it comes to being mentally squirrely...well, I'll invoke my Fifth Amendment rights on that. :eek:
 
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This must be the huge maple swamp. Odd that it's called Sluice Creek, because there is another Sluice Creek that dumps into the Cedar Swamp Creek in the northern section by Henry Young's farm.
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