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  1. smoke_jumper

    Your Forest Under Attack: MAP Misinformation from the DEP

    That road started off as a plow line in 2008. I ask, at what time does a plow line become a road. The pines are filled with names like Pushline Rd, Batsto Fireline Rd, Fireline Road, Bulldozed Road and so forth. I been exploring these woods for decades and they were always roads but given the...
  2. smoke_jumper

    Your Forest Under Attack: MAP Misinformation from the DEP

    The only person I heard that didn't want more patrols was a concerned taxpayer who didn't feel Waterford should be footing the bill for this plan. You can double check the minutes.
  3. smoke_jumper

    Your Forest Under Attack: MAP Misinformation from the DEP

    That push line was a "road" for 6 years before it was closed. I agree it should be closed but it should have been done long ago. A lot of damage could have been avoided and we wouldn't even be talking about it now.
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    Your Forest Under Attack: MAP Misinformation from the DEP

    If all you got out of my post was that I'm simply against the plan then apparently you didn't truely read it. Either you can't or do not want to answer any of the other questions I had. Until you can adequately explain how sweeping closures will accomplish what you say it's going to then yes I'm...
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    Your Forest Under Attack: MAP Misinformation from the DEP

    Jason There are few people here that are more concerned about the safety of our FFS and first responders they me. Many of them are my friends and I fought beside them for years. The FFS finally has funds to adequately repair some of the main roads that should have been maintained before...
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    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    Just an update on the road maintenance. Roadwork started moving down Burnt Mill road from the Fleming Pike end towards the horse swallowing hole at Beaver Dam that was talked about in Waterford's meeting.
  7. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    This is nothing more then a forum of people who enjoy sharing their diverse experiences in the pines. Until recently we had no reason to attend meetings. Time I would rather spend in the woods.;)
  8. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    Yes it's grass roots but without organization we are nothing more then a relatively small group of voters. Organization turns a bunch of voices into a force.
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    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    The only way that we can win. Is winning the public opinion. The only way I see that is possible is exposing the holes in the project MAP. There is not one single person that can do that all. We need to organize better. Posting everything here in the forum where everyone can see could hurt our...
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    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    Again I agree. The notion that roads will reopen if they can be repaired is nothing more then bullshit. Reopening a road is like saying my taxes are going to go down next year. Right now they are doing nothing more then polling. If they can decrease the number of people protesting by enough by...
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    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    I agree. I only looked this up after hearing about them last night. I guarantee the PPA and DEP were doing the same. The time line on the MAP project is key. Last night both the DEP and PPA seemed to back off a bit and say that this is only "proposed" and that only 10 roads are affected. I took...
  12. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    Been doing research on them. http://www.fws.gov/northeast/njfieldoffice/endangered/NLEbat.html
  13. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    A special interest group that I once felt was on our side. And when this doesn't work what's the next step.
  14. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    I did get tired of hearing that she hadn't seen any map. Which is why I had to say that our map was nothing more then a copy of their map they already released. They are going to move forward with this plan no matter what we say. Their mind is made up on what they are doing. She played dumb but...
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    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    I agree we all were very worked up last night. When I realized nothing was going to get accomplished last night I felt it was better to keep some of the tougher questions I had to myself. Better to not show all your cards up front.;) Not that we have many. I want to see them struggle with some...
  16. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    I was going to ask that same question. When Dave asked about the bats all I heard were crickets:D
  17. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    Lol. I did see you. But there was a lot going on I will make sure to say hi at the next one.
  18. smoke_jumper

    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    They made it sound like it but I have my doubts. Next wedsnday it the township work shop meeting.
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    ORV Management In Sensitive Areas Of Wharton

    Broke Jeep Joe was there too. I'm not sure who else from the forum was there.
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