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Jeff, really....you provide me so much amusement with your running commentaries. You are a riot!

Jeff, What a load of crap you spew out, this "managing of the forest for multiple use." These people only want to RAPE the forest for their own use. They want more paper pulp for hospital gowns and more grasslands for hunters. They also want to play on their bulldozers. Get off the dogma...

White House moves to expedite thinning By the way Jeff, I got a complaint with you. I was lucky enough to visit Mount Ranier National Park in Washington this summer. The loggers have clear cut both sides of the road leading right up to the park gates. It looked like a bed haircut to me. You...

White House moves to expedite thinning Jeff, did you co-author the following? It sounds like you: National Center for Policy Analysis, Daily Policy Digest July 11, 2002 It's official: the U.S. Forest Service has added environmental activists to the list of culprits responsible for this year's...

White House moves to expedite thinning Gee Jeff, you gotta get a grip on yourself. I can almost see the veins standing out on your neck on that last post. Environmentalist whackos eh? For a guy that doesn't want a debate about DDT you sure bring it up often. Did you own stock in it when the...

White House moves to expedite thinning The candy store is now open. I read a pretty good report that said the problem is not the fuel in the forest, but the way homeowners allow the forest to completely surround their homes (of which I too am guilty of). It went on to say that thinning only...

So Bruset, you chose this opening on rattlesnakes to rap environmentalists for leading the charge to try and stop off-road vehicle damage? You are dead wrong about having to hike 20 miles into the pines to take photographs in the future. I don't see where they are banning any licensed vehicle...

Like I said Jeff, you are too much. You seem to have the same unfounded fear of the avid environmentalist that you do of the Timber Rattler. If it wasn't for passionate evironmentalists, you wouldn't have the Pine Barrens to meddle with. You'd be facing a huge jetport where the pines are.

Jeff, you are too much. You would have run over a timber rattlesnake on purpose. Why?

Guy, I can't think of a better interest that allows you to get out in the woods and see various locations. I wonder how unique you are in this field. Have you met other people on your search for these markers? What do you use as resources? Are there books? bob

That's interesting Guy. How did they move the tower after they climbed it and found they were off a bit? Did they dismantle it, or did they have it on wheels and just roll it until they were close? BobM (bobpbx)

Jeff, you gotta stop worrying about fire in the pines. Your comment that.."large, much hotter catastrophic wildfires scorch the pines and sterilize the soil, damaging the forest"...just is not true in the Pines. The following article says it better than I can: FIRE IN THE PINE BARRENS IS...

Vtowner; Draytons Bogs? Was he the gentleman that also had a septic service? How about the pig farm I remember, is it still there?

Guy, When I was 7 to 9 years old we lived in Hampton Lakes, just next door. I vaguely remember Big Hill. I thought it was a land fill now. I was 7 in 1961. The pines were different then, more rustic somehow. I wish I could go back in time. Bob. PS: is there a view from there?

That part you made is pretty intricate Guy. I spent some time as a helper in a machine shop and did rough work on a lathe and milling machines. You sure did some fancy chucking up to cut that baby. They always say you guys pay attention to detail. You oughta make it a hobby to find markers in...

Good work Guy. The photos are really nice too. You sure are determined! May I ask what your career is?

German, Here is the other good Pines web site. Barry runs it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ghosttownsofsouthernnj/

We all talk like we know our local brand of cedar very well. Truth is, we don't know Jack. Here's is a chance to really learn something about it: ATLANTIC WHITE CEDAR FIELD TRIP Sponsored by The Nature Conservancy of New Jersey's Pine Barrens Program Date: Saturday, May 11th, 10:00 a.m. to...

I have a club of about 12 members called the Pine Barren Explorers. We like to go where few people go, and usually shy away from roads. Anyway, one of our members gets the idea to canoe half way down the Mullica from Astion, then portage over to the Batsto. Then camp at Lower Forge and canoe...

Okay Jeff, makes sense. You are off my black list.