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wow congrats . i already apologized for misunderstanding that , and i dont say anything on there i wouldnt say on here , so if think your cool for calling me out on something , you can think again , people need to open there eyes and quit arguing over the same things time and time again , im...

come on now really ? thats just common sense , if your out in the woods and theres a lot of newer people that explore the pines and apprently by this thread a bunch of veterans to the pines werent aware of place you couldnt drive , just driving thru the woods and seeing a wide open trail thats...

just because you didnt see a sign it doesnt mean you were allowed there , signs have been ripped down and years ago people were alot more respectful and the issue wasnt as big of a problem , if i own a peice of land and you happen to drive by it is ok if you tresspass on my property just because...

thats the thing , nothing is being lost in addition to what was already marked as no motor vehicles , all the new signs are replacing old ones and marking newer made trails leading into and only to 1/4 mile area , why is that so hard for people comprehend ??

you need to read previous posts before you post up something like that , THE SIGNS ARE PUT UP BY THE SUPER INTENDANT OF WHARTON HIMSELF with volunteers there to assist him , have fun ignoreing the signs you will be fined the same way as anyone back there actually 4 wheeling ,you were never...

thats a great attitude , what have you done to try to protect the pines ?

i know the signs wont last , but if we stay up to date on them and people will see the signs replaced as fast as they took em down they might start getting the idea that maybe they shouldnt be there and realize that the area is actually being watched now , were making a legit effort wich is a...

O ok I took that the wrong way then

So Your telling me if you see a no motor vehicle sign it's not enough to let you clearly know you shouldn't be back there ? Perhaps you don't know how to read ? Cause that's exactly the purpose of the signs , if there were no signs you would pissed if u got a ticket , but you can't argue a...

THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDING OR MAN POWER TO PATROL EVERY SQUARE INCH OF WOODS , Then in summer they need to patrol the camps and make sure people with there families are safe and yes signs have never stopped people before but that's why njtlc started ! To educate the general public and...

The fact of the matter is that the people back there aren't bothering anyone , yea some of the people are very disrepectful and are tearing up land , but the cops have alot more to worry about then a bunch of trucks in the woods that's are technically staying out of trouble , atleast there not...

Well the problem with blocking those trails is that people will just blaze a new path Wich no one wants and they will still continue to use the area anyway , atleast with just posting signs no new damage (hopefully) will occur and give the park police a good guideline of an area to enforce still

that area was a problem before the fire or the road they made , it just opened it up a little easier for more people to realize whats back there , with or without the fire it people wouldve found out about it eventually and they wouldve made there own trails

thanks for finally understanding , it would be great if everyone else could too , i tried to make it clear in my orginal post back on like page 3 that the only roads that are shut down are roads leading into and only to 1/4 mile , wich legally were never allowed to be driven on anyway , and the...

To my knowlede yes it can be driven (I think) the yellow is placed at those few mud holes that lead to no where right off the edge of the road there

i didnt mean to outburst at you , but many people were complaining that something needed to be done and now the same people are still complaining about what has been done , and in no way does me personally or anyone i know associated with njtlc want to act as police , just mearly try to make...

sorry guy

heres what you cant drive on , everything inside the red , and the only real road you cant drive is the one behind lower forge leading into the camp(far left of the map pic) , the yellow x's are where the new signs were posted

if you dont wanna take part to volunteer your actions then dont complain about the way things are being handled . just saying....

i agree to an extent , the rangers do need to go back on a sat night at midnight with some serious force and ticket everyone , and possably with that $10,000 enviremental fine the rumors will spread quite fast and could possably keep people permantly out of those area's with those type of risk's...