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Scott and Mike, I really appreciate the good food at the tailgate. I ate a lot, I hope you didn't mind! The cookies were very good too. It's good to start getting back out there after our brief hiatus.

I feel bad for everyone involved. A tragedy.

If you have a license, go for it without asking. I would if I were in your shoes. Easier to ask forgiveness rather that explain to people what you want to do and thereby run into the bureaucracy wall. This is just my opinion.

Land preservation foundations and other environmental groups?

Better forecasts in the future. I see South Jersey peeking at me in this world scan...

Mike, if you go to that park in late April (walk along the actual stream downstream of where you were), there is swamp pink in bloom. Very pretty downstream too.

Well, it's a thought. But looking at Scott's photo, they maybe had not yet created automatics! Edit: well, maybe.

..."But the Army Corps' mission to protect life and property must be its first priority." Whose property? And at what cost to the land and sea, and to the public's pocket? Aye, therein lies the rub. http://www.njherald.com/article/20170114/AP/301149916

Boyd, those elevations can't be right. What's up with that?

I wonder how closely related it was to this one Al, photographed in 2016 in Chatsworth. Unfortunately, I never got a back end shot of it.

I've been there a couple times. It's actually a rise, with a dirt road leading up to the highest spot.

That does not look like our Stu. Edit: yes it does, after all. I was not used to seeing him with his glasses off and no mustache. I checked his photos against those on the post about the Warren Grove Wildfire. He was there, that was a great trip.

Interesting. I was getting the sense from looking at these that many of those scenes were from around the Mullica River, on both sides (Atlantic and Burlington counties), and closer to the coast, just upstream from where the tides influence the rivers shown. Maybe one is the Egg Harbor river.

Can you possibly imagine how this guy can be so uninformed about traps? http://www.njherald.com/20170110/pre-triai-intervention-possible-for-activist-caught-in-bear-trap

Thanks, this was the first time seen by me. The information still leaves questions in my mind. Thanks Dogg.

Dave, do you still have that kind of access to the historical records in APP? I'd be interested if you could look up the information of the train wreck at Chatsworth on Oct 17, 1966. It would likely be reported on Oct 18, 1966, so that would be the date to look up (or the 19th if not found on...

Dave, where did you hear about the Wells Mills crash? What supposedly happened? I never heard of it. I do remember about 8-10 years ago somebody crashed a few miles away, perhaps closer to route 72(?). It was a small private plane. Edit: I found something on the forum about it. Must have...

Thanks Johnny! Yes, that is a different wreck than the one in the photos by enormiss. But it does align with the one at Woodmansie in my post.

Good. It's about time. I was up in Lawrence township with my girlfriend a couple months ago at Mercer Meadows, a very nice park made from a former pole farm. The attached link is very interesting. They really did a nice job on making trails. Many hawks in the meadows...

Thanks for the reply Jerseyman. There was another one in the late 1960's 4 miles to the NE of the Marine Tech plant; the derailment of a train carrying sand just NE of Woodmansie. You can see the cars using http://www.historicaerials.com. I'm sure the photos do not match that one though, but the...