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No worries Brother! I'd love to see them when you're able to post them! A friend told me who owns the private property on Martha Rd near the lake. He also told me I'd have an easier time getting a hold of the President. I'm planning on swinging by Batsto and see if the state did the fill. Dave

Gents, again, fascinating info to me and I thank you all for the input. If you saw the photos of the well it was stone lined all the way down. That was the incentive to take my buddy back there as he wanted to see it. We were debating about how it had been constructed...top down or bottom up...

So Teegate, I totally missed the floor and so on during this trip somehow. Do you have any idea who would have filled that well in and how? That was seriously deep and fairly wide. When I first saw it "covered" I couldn't image getting trucks in there with fill. Just curious. That had to be...

A map would make sense, wouldn't it? Sorry. There used to be a small one room cabin there in the 80's which I suppose the state bulldozed at some point. I saw NO trace of it yesterday. The well was just off a "loop" but that's totally changed. No loop and even some dirt mounds and holes are...

Would anyone recall a small building off a trail near buck run out past Martha Pond? It would have been on the right about 1/4 mile off the mail trail. The building is long gone but I was there yesterday and it is like the place has been "erased". Not a stone is there. My main curiousity is...

I did go down today and had a separate matter to discuss with the Park Police I've been putting off. I asked about the road while I was there and got somewhat the same answer as above. They said they would double check and get back to me with an official answer but were 99% sure it was...

Thank you all for your thoughts and advice. I was intending to stay on the road going ~SE some medium distance. I may go down today and just take a ride down it. I'll definitely respect the privately marked areas and just ask forgiveness if I stumble into the wrong unmarked area by mistake.

Does anyone know if the dirt "iron pipe road" / old wading river-maxwell rd off of 563 is public? I've been wanting to go down there for a while but on the SE side it almost looks like it goes thru the middle of someones property. Is it state land or private? Thank you and enjoy your day!

I appreciate the replies which clear up the source of the alternate birth location in my mind. I just want to say that my dear "ex" had told me more detailed information about the exact supposed location in Estell Manor according to those locals of HS age anyway. I'd prefer not to disclose...

I've been reading this forum for years but just decided to get off my rear end and join in tonight after a good, if short, hike in the Pines today. I read in several places over the years that Estell Manor also laid claim to being the birthplace of the Jersey Devil besides Leeds Point. The...