Pretty amazing effort.
http://www.conservewildlifenj.org/blog/2015/02/18/battling-bald-eagles-land-in-tree/
http://www.conservewildlifenj.org/blog/2015/02/18/battling-bald-eagles-land-in-tree/
Bald Eagle rescue yesterday
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That surviving Eagle sure did a number on the other one, probably a result of trying to get loose.
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I saw this video earlier on another site. I understand the basic history of bald eagles, the decline and the come-back. They are beautiful birds and deserve a chance to exist without being threatened by the hand of man. I hesitate to post this but I'm interested in your thoughts. The situation the two birds found themselves in is one that was, I believe, completely natural, bird vs. bird. Competition for habitat, food, mates, etc. goes on every day in the wild. Should we have intervened in this case? Remember, neither bird was shot, hit by a car, entangled in a six-pack ring.......just bird vs. bird. Before you answer, think back to the thread about how removing an old bottle from the woods will change the course of history. Are we not looking at a somewhat similar situation here? Did we owe the eagles this one because of what we did to them in the past, and in many cases, continue to do to them? Not so sure how I feel about this, how about you?
What do you mean by "What we done to them"? I have never harmed and eagle in any way.Also "Should we have intervened"? Yes, it is legal to do good unto eagles, even on the sabbath. Now a Cowboy fan may argue with that. In all seriousness though where does this philosophy come from that we cannot touch or affect anything in any way or since it was a human that did it that makes any action we do,even to help a critter evil? I mean rehabilitationists help animals all the time,are they evil? I don't see anything wrong at all with someone trying to alleviate the suffering of any creature human or otherwise.If I fall down and break my leg and am laying in the snow I hope someone would help me and not stand there and argue on how evil it would be to alter the course of history by saving me from what was obviously meant to be.My two cents anyway.
I agree with Manumuskin on this one, I don't think that helping a wounded animal, especially one in short supply, should ever be considered as harmful or wrong. The analogy of using the old bottle does not really apply here, as one refers to removing from the environment, while the other is returning to the environment. I'm just happy knowing we are down just 1 Eagle instead of 2.
I have often found wasp nests and spider also salamanders in old bottles and cans,even found a baby garter in an old can once, so even though unsightly, litter can and does provide homes for critters.Not saying I condone litter in the least,while trash piles make homes for mice and reptiles it doesn't say anything positive about the people who threw it there. Anyway who could possibly leave an eagle hanging upside down in a tree to starve to death when they had the power to do something about it? Even f it just meant pulling a bead on it and putting it out of it's misery if nothing else could be done.Mankind does enough evil as is.It's nice to do a little good in the world when your able.
I'm not talking about evil or calling anyone evil, I don't see how you got that from the questions I was asking.
I wrote that I was hesitant to try to start a discussion on the topic, this is why.
I wrote that I was hesitant to try to start a discussion on the topic, this is why.
I'm hip to where you are coming from (sort of). It may be that you just didn't express your thoughts as clearly as you could. I'm one of the few people I know that is suspicious regarding the untold thousands of animals tagged, collared, banded, captured and weighed, have blood drawn, radio transmitters implanted, etc., each year. I'm not against doing it when necessary, but I think studying can sometimes get out of hand. I was about 8,000 feet up in Denali Park once and saw a beautiful wolf loping along and traversing the slope about 100 yards from me. It was a great moment for me until I noticed he had a radio collar on, and he seemed to be bothered by it. That really downgraded the experience for me, and made me really think about the necessity of so much study. Could this be self-perpetuating?
Agree with you Bob, but what you state is a lot different than what transpired in Tuckerton.
Wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone NP back in 1995; they are still studying them. Without the studies, those folks wouldn't have work, so in that sense it is self-perpetuating. The wolves were already reintroducing themselves and had been filmed in Montana in 1988. They should have been left to their own schedule.
Wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone NP back in 1995; they are still studying them. Without the studies, those folks wouldn't have work, so in that sense it is self-perpetuating. The wolves were already reintroducing themselves and had been filmed in Montana in 1988. They should have been left to their own schedule.
Gotta tip my cap to Ben w for taking care of that eagle, he is braver then me. Regarding interfering I have no problem with it in this scenario. Also we have wrecked our landscape and environment that we have a responsibility to take care of it and also intervene were obvious help is needed. The most positive thing in all this is not that an eagle was saved (maybe) but rather that a bunch of people got to see it in action and hopefully are more likely to help or take an interest in our wildlife.
Yes, I forgot to add at the bottom of the post that I'm glad they saved that eagle. I just thought that ninemileskid was trying to say interference in general.
Wasn't calling you anyone specific evil Ninemile.Just saying people do do some rotten crap to animals and it's a good thing when they can do a good thing for an animal. I feel we're a part of the natural world for good or bad and don't subscribe to a total hands off approach to nature but think we should step in and help when possible if we see things going bad. Take for instance last year the Isle Royale wolf population had dropped down to nine do to genetic problem caused by inbreeding.So far the NPS has maintained a hands off approach to let nature take it's course.Now their fretting over the possible loss of their wolf population which is a big reason why folks go there and spend money to get there and be there etc. They don't know what to do.It's obvious the wolf population is about to disappear and that will leave the Moose without any predators unless they let hunters onto the island which is basically admitting "we goofed".I say get your heads out of your butts and tell Canada "Yo Bro,we wanna buy some wolves" Or say the same to Alaska. It's an island,they are going to have to infuse some fresh blood from time to time since Lake Superior only freezes all the way across once in a Blue Moon so nature is not going to keep sending reinforcements.Basically I"m saying if help is needed and you have the skill and ability to do it then do it. Like it or not for good or bad we run this joint.We're not getting any help from the aliens.
My personal view when it comes to animal rescue/rehabilitation is that it is a nice thing to do, and I would lean towards stepping in myself to help an individual animal when I could, but the person doing it benefits from the action more than the species does. Nature can be very cruel, by human standards. Nothing dies a pleasant death in the natural world. In all but the rarest of cases, individual animals simply do not matter in nature. Healthy populations, stemming from an adequate and healthy environment, ARE what matters. The single most productive thing we can do to protect our wildlife is to preserve as much of their habitat as possible, by any means possible. We might disagree on how that habitat is managed, as evidenced by another recent thread, but preserved habitat that we might not be able to use as we please is infinitely better than a housing development or another big box shopping plaza. When the habitat is there, the wildlife will take care of itself, and will not have to be saved one individual at a time. Unfortunately, an injured or struggling animal always strikes a greater emotional chord among the general population than a surveying or land-clearing crew does.
Unfortunately most of us including myself do not have the expertise needed to rescue a wild animal that needs extended care.I tried several times as a kid and almost always it ended in a well intentioned failure.I never knew Rehabilitationists existed back then. MY wifes dream would be to be a rehabilitationist. She loves critters,especially big cats,wolves,bears and birds of prey.Anything that's a habitual killer of course
If I had the land I"d try to get her into it.Need some acres for that though and I"m sure NJ regulations would make me throw up my hands and break out my best four letter words directed at Trenton.
If I had the land I"d try to get her into it.Need some acres for that though and I"m sure NJ regulations would make me throw up my hands and break out my best four letter words directed at Trenton.
The latest update from Ben's blog on Conserve Wildlife NJ
2/23/15: Sad news all. I got word this morning that she was unfortunately euthanized at Tri-State Bird Rescue & Research. They worked tremendously hard to try and save her leg but the fracture and frostbite made her prognosis really bad. It was the best choice to humanely euthanize her. An eagle with one leg would not be able to survive in the wild and eagles in general do not like being in captivity. Thank you to the wonderful staff at Tri-State! Please help them out by making a tax deductible donation!
Or you can read the complete follow up on the link from the first post....
http://www.conservewildlifenj.org/blog/2015/02/18/battling-bald-eagles-land-in-tree/
2/23/15: Sad news all. I got word this morning that she was unfortunately euthanized at Tri-State Bird Rescue & Research. They worked tremendously hard to try and save her leg but the fracture and frostbite made her prognosis really bad. It was the best choice to humanely euthanize her. An eagle with one leg would not be able to survive in the wild and eagles in general do not like being in captivity. Thank you to the wonderful staff at Tri-State! Please help them out by making a tax deductible donation!
Or you can read the complete follow up on the link from the first post....
http://www.conservewildlifenj.org/blog/2015/02/18/battling-bald-eagles-land-in-tree/
I wonder why they didn't send her to the wildlife rehab center up by Medford lakes> Called Cedar something or other.I went there maybe three years ago,had a lot of birds of prey there and some eagles.