no i am not in favor of a permit system. Sorry my point was misunderstood. I was pointing out that there is not enough enforcement and did not say i was in favor of a permit system. And I was not thinking you were expressing an opinion but just a statement. My statement is that when someone blindly follows their GPS and winds up 'off-road' will they care about a permit system because they made a mistake, no. Will they be fined if they are caught, probably.I understand that you are in favor of a permit system, but don't understand the point you were trying to make about the car stuck in the sand, sorry. But actually, I was not expressing an opinion. I was just summarizing what I believe the DEP is planning to do, based on the article I referenced.
Sorry my point was misunderstood. I was pointing out that there is not enough enforcement and did not say i was in favor of a permit system.
Truthfully I see the permit system being justified to help improve the roadways and parks that they have ignored for too long. And giving free access when they are underfunded or staffed makes no sense.
Exactly one of my concerns. I would not have a problem paying a permit IF…….The permits don’t bother me a single bit. I’ll gladly pay whatever and display a sticker or plate. It won’t keep anyone out who doesn’t have a permit, but it would generate funds to increase enforcement.
That’s the problem. This is New Jersey. How much of those funds would *actually* get used for enforcement and maintenance? How much would just get funneled northward, like the rest of the taxes we pay down here?
Those permits don't work either. They are supposed to be " mobile sport fishing" permits. They are instead a cheaper alternative to beach badges. People don't have half the required equipment required of them even if they do get a permit. Now, I'm not a stickler for rules but the state only sells a certain number of those permits so when a fishing permit goes to Joe Blow and his family to spend their days on the beach (with an old pole zip tied to his roof racks) well.....it just ain't fair. It'll be the same with permits to go into the Pines. If people do get permits they'll still go where they want and dig up puddles, wetlands, streams and other area they just shouldn't be. Will permits mean more enforcement? You know it won't. Will permits mean more protection? Absolutely not.Currently a 4x4 fishing permit is $200 for IBSP. I wonder what a permit for Wharton would start at.
Yes, and no.Kind of apples and oranges comparison. We would be paying to get from point A to B while they pay for motorized recreation.
Agreed, there are some out there with some sensibility, that's one reason I mentioned the education piece. Should be a bit obvious not to tear stuff up, but....I guess my point being that there is an element of the new generation of riders that reflect the values and responsibility most often attributed to the more mature riders. A quality that is refreshing to witness.
I drive along that route through Wharton on Jackson Road on a daily basis. It's a paved road. I don't know if the permit plan would apply to paved (improved) roads. If it did, I think it would be hugely unpopular.Exactly one of my concerns. I would not have a problem paying a permit IF…….
1-the funds from the permit system actually go to improving and maintaining the trails that we would be paying to drive on.
2-it could be used on any vehicles I own. I know this would be hard but we have 3 vehicles including my wife’s that Might be used on a road in Wharton. A trip form Atco to Medford on Jackson road passes through Wharton and my wife takes it at least once a month.
Basically all a permit system would do is limit that amount of people who would use these roads. Once in place all that has to be done is raise the fee to limit even more.