Emhriams Bridge

Teegate

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They also were using that bridge as a test, so they may have kept the price down because of that.

The man who was responsible for the development and construction of that Bridge (Richard W. Renfree died right after it was built. He worked at Rutgers. The DEP and Rutgers had a ceremony there for him and erected a sign. It was gone the next day when I arrived. It was replaced not long after.

Guy
 

LARGO

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That 2 engineers from Rutgers were the ones behind it.

I already have a well formed opinion of what anything that "engineers" get involved in equals. I shall keep it to myself.
Wood, I can walk on any number of bridges over waterways of the pines and jump up and down like a mad Bastard and not stir a thing. I jump on the Plastic Fantastic and it's like being on a Gymnast's springboard. Your engineers of course will say that's a designed feature. I say it's beat.
Guy, As you may know, there are two empy/stripped signposts at the bridge location.

G.

Hey, anybody in the market for a really big mailbox?
 

Trailhead00

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That mailbox made me think of something. I remember as a kid my address was RD 9 Tuckerton Road. People used to ask me what that meant and when I told them Rural Delivery they just laughed. They said, "You must live out in the sticks." Like that bothered me, I wanted to live out there and wouldn't have changed a thing. Well today it is no longer RD 9 but Indian Mills still doesn't have a post office. Funny thing is that wasn't too long ago. Hard to imagine New Jersey having Rural Delivery. Anyone in New Jersey still have a RD address?
 

Neil in SJ

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Ok further and further off topic we go. This is from the History of USPS:

Rural Free Delivery
Today it is difficult to envision the isolation that was the lot of farm families in early America. In the days before telephones, radios, or televisions were common, the farmer's main links to the outside world were the mail and the newspapers that came by mail to the nearest post office. Since the mail had to be picked up, this meant a trip to the post office, often involving a day's travel, round-trip. The farmer might delay picking up mail for days, weeks, or even months until the trip could be coupled with one for supplies, food, or equipment.

John Wanamaker of Pennsylvania was the first Postmaster General to advocate rural free delivery (RFD). Although funds were appropriated a month before he left office in 1893, subsequent Postmasters General dragged their feet on inaugurating the new service so that it was 1896 before the first experimental rural delivery routes began in West Virginia, with carriers working out of post offices in Charlestown, Halltown, and Uvilla.

Many transportation events in postal history were marked by great demonstrations: the Pony Express, for example, and scheduled airmail service in 1918. The West Virginia experiment with rural free delivery, however, was launched in relative obscurity and in an atmosphere of hostility. Critics of the plan claimed it was impractical and too expensive to have a postal carrier trudge over rutted roads and through forests trying to deliver mail in all kinds of weather.

However, the farmers, without exception, were delighted with the new service and the new world open to them. After receiving free delivery for a few months, one observed that it would take away part of life to give it up. A Missouri farmer looked back on his life and calculated that, in 15 years, he had traveled 12,000 miles going to and from his post office to get the mail.

A byproduct of rural free delivery was the stimulation it provided to the development of the great American system of roads and highways. A prerequisite for rural delivery was good roads. After hundreds of petitions for rural delivery were turned down by the Post Office because of unserviceable and inaccessible roads, responsible local governments began to extend and improve existing highways. Between 1897 and 1908, these local governments spent an estimated $72 million on bridges, culverts, and other improvements. In one county in Indiana, farmers themselves paid over $2,600 to grade and gravel a road in order to qualify for RFD.

The impact of RFD as a cultural and social agent for millions of Americans was even more striking, and, in this respect, rural delivery still is a vital link between industrial and rural America.
 

ebsi2001

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That mailbox made me think of something. I remember as a kid my address was RD 9 Tuckerton Road. <SNIP> Well today it is no longer RD 9 but Indian Mills still doesn't have a post office. <SNIP> Hard to imagine New Jersey having Rural Delivery. Anyone in New Jersey still have a RD address?

Does anyone know where I might find a postal zone map showing the RD/RFD routes that were "serviced" by the P.O. in Barnegat?

ebsi
 

bobpbx

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When I first moved to Presidential Lakes in 1966 it was RD. They ran the post boxes out of the general store. I will always remember playing 8-Ball on the pinball machine (5 games for a quarter). I used to beat the hell out of that machine on good days. Listening to the free games rack up was music to my ears..."CLACK-CLACK-CLACK, CLACK-CLACK-CLACK!"
 

ebsi2001

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Does anyone know where I might find a postal zone map showing the RD/RFD routes that were "serviced" by the P.O. in Barnegat, in particular from the 1930s to the 1960s? I am also interested in "town" (not telephone!) directories from the same time period.

ebsi
 

LARGO

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It is amazing how threads evolve and change here. Guess this one's my fault. This still leaves me stuck with this cursed box though! I thought of stomping it flat and putting it out for recycle. They would take it. My wife and kids are looking at it for odd things. I do have an idea... EBAY!
Just to see if someone will really bid on this piece of
"Classic Representation of Americana Parcel Post" C.R.A.P.P. for short.

Or maybe I'll just throw it in the woods.

G.
 

Teegate

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For those here who did not see the building of the Plastic Bridge, here are the supports. I don't think they will have any problem keeping it up for a long time.

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Guy
 

ebsi2001

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I do not know how to post a link but I found on the internet that the bridge cost $75,000 to build. If it was made out of wood it would have cost $340,000. That is a nice savings. Hopefully it holds up to the test of time. By the way the article stated that the bridge was made out of recycled material from soda bottles and so on. It added that 2 engineers from Rutgers were the ones behind it. http://governing.com/textbook/bridges.htm That is the website, sorry I'm not that proficient on the computer.

I got my info. from an article in the A.C. Press.

They specifically stated that the bridge was made from yoghurt cups and the styrofoam packaging (both polystyrene) used by some fast food joints: They even stated how many cups, etc. were used. I was elated, because the local recycling honchos specifically stated that they did not want that type of plastic to be "comingled" in the recycling buckets. The reason is evident: the mass to volume ratio is too small.

Soda bottles are blow--moulded from PET (polyethylene terephthalate), a different type of plastic, altogether, with vastly different properties. Not being a polymer chemist, I cannot state whether the two types of plastic are "compatible," i.e. if the bridge was fabricated from both types of plastic...

The figures you state seem to be "in the same ballpark"... That's one reason I thought this type of building material might help us solve some of our problems.

Thanks for the website reference! :)

ebsi
 

LARGO

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For those here who did not see the building of the Plastic Bridge, here are the supports. I don't think they will have any problem keeping it up for a long time.Guy

It's not the supports I doubt in Guy.
It is the fact that a few clearance issues were overlooked and that I think that the structure itself could have used more of an underslung type of construction to give it more strength. I have no doubt that you could drive a heavy vehicle over it many times over but eventually... it will fail.
Thanks for the pic. Probably not too many are available of that stage in construction. How do you do it?

Hey, you're not in the market for a vintage mailbox are you? Large capacity?

g.
 

ebsi2001

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<SNIP> I decided to visit the "Plastic Fantastic", my new name for the bridge.
<SNIP>
The Plastic Fantastic itself.... well, I'll have to meet BobPbx in the middle on this one. Like I said it will be around forever but, like Bob's Picnic table, it's not lookin' too good. I think they really undershot on it's structural support and overestimated it's strength. It is warping worse from last I saw and the sag factor is way high! See some pics in gallery. The stream was actually running right across the bridge just as nice as you please. High water was not even a good excuse. This baby was laid out poorly.
<SNIP>
A nice time out. Some things I did find... A full length lawn chair propped nicely so as to view the pond from the South side. <SNIP> The winning piece, a monstrous black U.S. mailbox in some ferns at the water's edge.
Not a little one, <SNIP> about a 16" mouth.
Still in decent shape. I thought, who would drag this out here? <SNIP> My wife of course ponders how I go out into nature and come back with a Godzilla mailbox. <SNIP>

g.

Largo,

You might be doing us all a favor, if you e--mail some of your photos to the Atlantic City Press (ACP), the Asbury Park Press, and the Courier Post. Tell 'em what you've seen!

Kevin Post, who writes the column "Nature's Way" may be reached at:

<kpost@pressofac.com>​

Meggan Clark is a "Health/Science Writer" at ACP, and she can be reached at 609.272.7209. She has written articles on ecological issues and the management of the pinelands.

ebsi

As for that "Godzilla Mailbox:" Sell it on e--Bay. They want big bucks for those suckers in some of the catalogs I've seen. It might make a great Christmas gift for someone: "Thet junkmail jest keeps a pilen' up!":rofl:
 

Teegate

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George,

Just like I did with the bridge at Friendship, I visited the Plastic Bridge each and every weekend, and a few weeknights, to follow the progress of it.

This photo shows wooden remains of a previous bridge.

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BTW, for those of you who do not know, the wooden bridge before the plastic bridge was set on fire by vandals.

Guy
 

ebsi2001

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George,

Just like I did with the bridge at Friendship, I visited the Plastic Bridge each and every weekend, and a few weeknights, to follow the progress of it.

This photo shows wooden remains of a previous bridge.

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BTW, for those of you who do not know, the wooden bridge before the plastic bridge was set on fire by vandals.

Guy

Those are mighty new--looking "remains," Guy! It seems a shame to tear down something like that.:confused:

ebsi
 

LARGO

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My walkabout was on the Camden county side at water's edge. The winning piece, a monstrous black U.S. mailbox in some ferns at the water's edge.
Not a little one, remember those big old steel jobbies? Still in decent shape. I thought, who would drag this out here? So I took it out. My wife of course ponders how I go out into nature and come back with a Godzilla mailbox.

Strange way to revive an old thread but I wanted to share this without starting a new one.
I waited till the deal was done so as not to Jinx myself.
Left it outside all winter, dirt snow, rain, bird poop, etc.
Put it on Ebay, very honest about it's state inclusive of rust, dents, and birdpoop.
Sold it for $50.20 and less a couple $$ Ebay & PayPal fees & a little shipping, not too shabby for Trappings from the Pines. It is now on to it's new home in Brooklyn N.Y.
I've cleaned up, given some soul that missing thing in their life, and netted a profit as well.
Oh... part of it's description in my listing:
Classic Representation of American Parcel Post. ( C.R.A.P.P. )
Now I have to top that.

g.
 
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