Looking for more information on historic Drosera collection areas- bogs and state park features from 80s and before.

Jack C

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I hope I am posting this in the right forum.

I would like to first thank you all for your help, as I've used it so far. I'm an intern at Rutgers' Chrysler Herbarium pinpointing down some GPS coordinates for Drosera specimens collected before the 90s. Some of the places listed in the tags no longer exist, but you historians here have helped me track down some of the locations listed on the tags, so I was hoping to get your opinions on the location of some of these remaining unknowns.
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The first area is listed as "800 m west of north floodgate | cedar swamp along Cedar Creek | Double Trouble State Forest," collected in 1986. I could find only sparse information on one floodgate, but not its location. I haven't had the chance to get out there myself so I was wondering if any of you had any insight on these floodgates so that I might narrow down the vicinity in which the specimen was collected.
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The second area, which I have gotten closer to thanks to your help, appears to read "at edge of dear bog near sim(m)s' bog." I've read of a Sims place and the nearby cranberry bogs, but does anybody know what this 'deer bog' is (I hope I'm reading that correctly)? The GPS discrepancy could be negligible, or far enough away for my generalized pinpoint to be completely off. This specimen was collected in 1928.
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The last area I can't seem to find is a quadrat/transect area within Lebanon State Forest, specifically a 'Line 16, Quadrat 18' near Middle Branch Mt. Misery Brook. Old USGS topo maps have a trailed-off area that takes the shape of multiple boxes, but there are only 17, so I was wondering if any of you knew of any transect operations within this area around 1953.
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Thanks for all your help so far, and sorry that my first post here is asking for a favor
 

bobpbx

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Jack, those directions are far too vague to make any sense of them. That species is fairly common, though not as common as D. intermedia, so it would not surprise me if you found more by looking yourself among the bogs and stream banks in the same Forests / creeks you mentioned.

By the way, that first one is indicating something 1/2 mile west of the mentioned gates. I'm sure that's an estimate, so unreliable.
 

Teegate

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I am unsure what the line 16 means but there is what I would call a quadrant 18 on the 1956 Whiting topo and I suspect they may be referring to this body of water. It is the white area in the middle left of the below topo right by the word "Branch."



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Scroggy

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If the "north floodgate" is the one for Mill Pond Reservoir (rather than the downstream reservoirs to the southeast), 800 m W would put you about here; I can't quite judge whether that area looks burnt-over in those 1980s aerials.
 
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Scroggy

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I checked the mid-Atlantic herbaria portal for other 1953 collections in Burlington County with locality "Lebanon" and all the results were collected by Jack McCormick and several have similar references to lines and quadrats. It's quite possible that he collected the Drosera but it was incompletely labeled for some reason. It looks like he was doing a big Pine Barrens ecological survey in collaboration with Murray Buell, so there may be field notebooks either at the Chrysler or in Philadelphia (Jack was a curator at ANSP for some time) that would provide a key to the lines and quadrats.
 
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bobpbx

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If the "north floodgate" is the one for Mill Pond Reservoir (rather than the downstream reservoirs to the southeast), 800 m W would put you about here; I can't quite judge whether that area looks burnt-over in those 1980s aerials.
I tried crossing that area, and gave up. It's a lowland of shrubs, if I recall highbush blueberry, sheeplaurel, and leatherleaf. Too tight to travel easily.
 

Scroggy

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Looking at other Witte collections from that day, it seems he was botanizing between Sim Place and Warren Grove. He was scrupulous enough to keep track of which county he was in on the labels, so the "2 mi SW" is probably reasonable accurate and I would place the collection somewhere on the SE side of the Sim Place bogs. I have no specific info on "deer bog".
 
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