nice to meet you by the way my name is herb, i think the first one i found was a freakishly docile one then. I agree about there musk, i dont recall the first one musking me, maybe because it was so docile, but this recent one i was talking about got me good, all over my hands and shirt, it was horrible.lol. Come to mention it, most of the snakes i have caught are aggressive, black ratsnakes, garters are vicious little guys, they musk really bad to. I guess your a reptile photographer right, do you have any goods pics of pine snakes. Its been a goal to catch one for like 4 years and not even a sighting, its harsh because there threatened i guess, and so many dirt bikers dont care, they probably destroy lots of there homes. That kind of stuff will get you ticked off. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with dirtbiking as long as its somewhere where your not effecting the animals around you. I try and block off paths on firebreads to stop them but the next day the stuff i put in the way is always gone, the Pinesnakes are my favorite and i do my best to stop that kind of stuff and tell people that they are threatened and are not venemous since some people get them confused with rattlers.