Swamp pink and Ragged Fringed Orchid upper Big Timber Creek

[Pines Lover]

Not in the Pinelands proper, but in an upper trib of the Big Timber Creek in a AWC swamp.

Lots of Pinelands flora in the area, B,W, chestnut oaks, pitch pine, m laurel, clethra, cinnamon ferns etc.



Swamp pink and ragged fringed orchid

 

[dragoncjo]

Where exactly does the BTC start? Having grown up around that creek I never thought at any point there would be AWC.

 

[Pines Lover]

Where exactly does the BTC start? Having grown up around that creek I never thought at any point there would be AWC.

North and South branches have many upper tribs. Berlin, Lindenwold(Lake Worth), Gloucester Twp, Washington Twp., Pine Hill, Pine Valley. Many of these have AWC.

BTC flows along the AC Expressway west, before it merges with Rt. 42. If you look hard you can see AWC there.

Check out Lake Worth (Camden County open space) in Lindenwold, right off of Rt.30. Follow trails along the stream above the lake to old lake bed site. AWC and SL and RL sundews in the Big Timber Creek Watershed.

On the lower tidal portion of the creek you can see ancient AWC stumps at low tide.

I found a few stumps in the small Gravelly Run stream in the middle on Lindenwold, north of Rt. 30.

Years ago I found a fossilized section of bald cypress in a small trib.



Nice size AWC within 100 feet of AC Expressway


BTW A BTC trib has the only remaining native pop of Brook Trout in NJ

 

[oji]

Mike, Has Allen shown you the area in Pemberton Twp. with P.lacera? There are also Goodyera pubescens,Tipularia discolor,many ferns and fern allies inc. Lygodium palmatum and a small area across the road with a large amount of Cypripedium acaule.

 

[Pines Lover]

Mike, Has Allen shown you the area in Pemberton Twp. with P.lacera? There are also Goodyera pubescens,Tipularia discolor,many ferns and fern allies inc. Lygodium palmatum and a small area across the road with a large amount of Cypripedium acaule.

I heard about them but have not seen them yet.

I know the area, sounds like a really cool place.

 

[dragoncjo]

Thanks for that info. I'll have to look at some maps of its headwaters, something about AWC swamps that interests me.

I heard about the brookies from Emile recently and his interactions with Trump. I've played that golf course and actually have seen brook trout in it. Nice piece of property there hopefully all the fertilizer runoff doesn't mess it up. Seems weird to me that brook trout exists there too.

 

[Pines Lover]

Thanks for that info. I'll have to look at some maps of its headwaters, something about AWC swamps that interests me.

I heard about the brookies from Emile recently and his interactions with Trump. I've played that golf course and actually have seen brook trout in it. Nice piece of property there hopefully all the fertilizer runoff doesn't mess it up. Seems weird to me that brook trout exists there too.

There use to be SP all over that area.

Its almost all gone.

Also Tipularia and Goodyera where the golf course is now.

 

[Teegate]

When walking the tracks past Clementon Park and the golf course there, it makes me think I am walking the JCRR years ago.

Guy

 

[dragoncjo]

That whole area is very piney and has some real nice wetlands. I'm kind of pissed I can't play the actual golf course anymore as its private. I use to love playing there because the wildlife and surrounding habitat was special. The wetlands along where the brook trout are was very clean and pristine. EDV told me that there is some serious money going into the place to help out the SP there.

Guy same set of tracks that runs through our town?

 

[Teegate]

Guy same set of tracks that runs through our town?

Yes. Maybe one day you and I can stand along Atlantic and run behind the train and hitch a ride there and catch another one back


Presidents and world leaders play at that course by Clementon Park. You would never know that from the overflow parking area along the tracks.

And this is inside.


http://teegate.njpinebarrens.com/09122010/bing.jpg


Guy

 

[dragoncjo]

Yeah can't say I've played that course, but have played the once public knock off version.

 

[Pines Lover]

Yes. Maybe one day you and I can stand along Atlantic and run behind the train and hitch a ride there and catch another one back


Presidents and world leaders play at that course by Clementon Park. You would never know that from the overflow parking area along the tracks.

And this is inside.


http://teegate.njpinebarrens.com/09122010/bing.jpg


Guy

But they wouldn't let me in to survey the SP

 

[NJBill]

Very interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Valley_Golf_Club

As Guy mentioned, quite a prestigious place and quite often the top rated course in the world.
Doesn't appear anyone has much of a chance of ever seeing inside.

 

[devilstoy]

Yes. Maybe one day you and I can stand along Atlantic and run behind the train and hitch a ride there and catch another one back


Presidents and world leaders play at that course by Clementon Park. You would never know that from the overflow parking area along the tracks.

And this is inside.


http://teegate.njpinebarrens.com/09122010/bing.jpg


Guy

very cool info , i live right around the corner and grew up in the area im always at lake worth , if you walk behind the parking lot pictured of pine valley its a really cool area but becareful to stay off private property and you could even catch a peek of al capones old house

 

[Pines Lover]

Very interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Valley_Golf_Club

As Guy mentioned, quite a prestigious place and quite often the top rated course in the world.
Doesn't appear anyone has much of a chance of ever seeing inside.

I know in the past they use to open it for the public 1 day a year.

 

[devilstoy]

I know in the past they use to open it for the public 1 day a year.

It's open 1 day for the crump cup , your allowed to walk the course but not play it

 

[dragoncjo]

Like devilstoy said it opens once a year for the crumb cup. Also the best way to play that course is to caddy there. They let there caddies play alot which is a pretty good gig. My friend caddied for Marty Brodeur and he tipped him 300 bucks....not bad.

 

[NJBill]

Looks like that one day a year was this past Sunday.
Thanks for that info, might make for a nice walk next year to look around.

 

[devilstoy]

Looks like that one day a year was this past Sunday.
Thanks for that info, might make for a nice walk next year to look around.

sorry the delay hahaha but atleast you got plenty of time to plan for next year

 

[Teegate]

I know someone who worked for a business that made deliveries there. That was the only way he was able to get in.


Guy