Webbtown

[bobpbx]

This entry from Vivian Zinkin's "Place Names of Ocean County New Jersey (1609-1849)" really intrigues me:

Webbtown Pre-1845 (F. Reynolds)

Because several families of Webbs once lived here; loc. near Balcony Hill, in the SW part of Manchester Tp.

I'll have to study the Cooks Topo map Guy copied for me. I never heard of this............bob

 

[bobpbx]

I've found it. Pasadena Road cuts right through the center of it. I think I have been there, but did not know what it was. There is a type of gravel pit there. Still, it deserves a lookover. If I'm correct Guy, the Lawrence Line cuts about 50 yards to the West of Balcony Hill, and there is a marker on the Cooks Map.

 

[BEHR655]

Bob,

Which Cook's map is it one? I can find Balcony Hill but not Webbstown.

 

[bobpbx]

Bob, Which Cook's map is it one? I can find Balcony Hill but not Webbstown.

The 1889 map only shows Balcony Hill, I only made the connection to Webbtown because of Vivian's book. I remember there being strange undulations in the ground at the back of the sand pit, kind of like channels dug in the ground. I'm betting it has something to do with it. But remember, it was probably not a real town, just named that by the locals in Whiting who knew a gaggle of Webbs lived there.

Something strange on the Cooks map; the direct road to Webbs Mill goes right behind Webbtown and not through it. I'm betting you would find an old path in the woods, like a shortcut, to that road..........bob

 

[Teegate]

http://njpinebarrens.com/~teegate/balcony.jpg

Guy

 

[Teegate]

Here is the info on the marker. Notice the initials on the last entry.






JU2750 ***********************************************************************
JU2750 DESIGNATION - BALCONY 2
JU2750 PID - JU2750
JU2750 STATE/COUNTY- NJ/OCEAN
JU2750 USGS QUAD - WHITING (1971)
JU2750_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 18SWK5171619576(NAD 83)
JU2750_MARKER: DS = TRIANGULATION STATION DISK
JU2750_SETTING: 7 = SET IN TOP OF CONCRETE MONUMENT
JU2750_STAMPING: BALCONY 2 1932
JU2750_MARK LOGO: CGS
JU2750_MAGNETIC: N = NO MAGNETIC MATERIAL
JU2750_STABILITY: C = MAY HOLD, BUT OF TYPE COMMONLY SUBJECT TO
JU2750+STABILITY: SURFACE MOTION
JU2750_SATELLITE: THE SITE LOCATION WAS REPORTED AS SUITABLE FOR
JU2750+SATELLITE: SATELLITE OBSERVATIONS - November 15, 2003
JU2750
JU2750 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By
JU2750 HISTORY - 1932 MONUMENTED CGS
JU2750 HISTORY - 1932 GOOD CGS
JU2750 HISTORY - 1935 GOOD CGS
JU2750 HISTORY - 1987 GOOD LOCSUR
JU2750 HISTORY - 19910301 GOOD NJGS
JU2750 HISTORY - 19930301 GOOD NJHA
JU2750 HISTORY - 19951130 GOOD TWT
JU2750 HISTORY - 20031115 GOOD INDIV
JU2750
JU2750 STATION DESCRIPTION
JU2750
JU2750'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1932 (CDM)
JU2750'STATION IS ABOUT 1 MILE S OF ROOSEVELT CITY AT THE GRAVEL PITS.
JU2750'
JU2750'SURFACE, UNDERGROUND, AND REFERENCE MARKS ARE STANDARD BRONZE
JU2750'DISKS SET IN CONCRETE AS DESCRIBED IN NOTES 1A, 7A, AND 11A.
JU2750'
JU2750'REFERENCE MARK NO.1 IS N OF STATION, 85 METERS E OF T-INTERSECTION
JU2750'FORMED BY E AND W AND N AND S ROADS. 14 METERS N OF E AND W
JU2750'ROAD. 37 METERS W OF N AND S ROAD. REFERENCE MARK NO.2 IS SW
JU2750'OF STATION. REFERENCE MARK NO.3 IS S OF STATION, APPROXIMATELY
JU2750'60 METERS WNW OF ROAD.
JU2750'
JU2750'REACHED FROM LAKEHURST BY ROUTE 40 SW 6 MILES FROM THE RAILROAD
JU2750'TRACKS, TO J. KEEPERS PLACE ON LEFT SIDE OF ROAD. TURN LEFT HERE
JU2750'(ROAD TO WHITING) AND FOLLOW 0.8 MILE TO A GRAVEL T-ROAD
JU2750'RIGHT. TURN RIGHT AND GO 1.5 MILES TO ROOSEVELT CITY, CROSSING
JU2750'RAILROAD TRACKS AT 0.3 AND 1.5 MILES. CONTINUE ON ACROSS SECOND
JU2750'RAILROAD TRACKS (ROOSEVELT CITY) STRAIGHT AHEAD 0.1 MILE AND
JU2750'TURN RIGHT ON SAND-GRAVEL ROAD. FOLLOW THIS ROAD 1.0 MILE TO
JU2750'TOP OF HILL AT NARROW GAUGE RAILROAD TRACKS. CONTINUE FOR
JU2750'ABOUT 200 FEET AND TURN OFF ROAD TO RIGHT AND WIND WAY THROUGH
JU2750'UNDERBRUSH TO STATION. STATION IS IN AREA COVERED WITH
JU2750'UNDERBRUSH W OF INTERSECTION OF ROAD AND NARROW GAUGE
JU2750'RAILROAD, ABOUT 60 METERS W OF INTERSECTION.
JU2750'
JU2750'HEIGHT OF SIGNAL ABOVE STATION MARK - 30 METERS.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (1932)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1932
JU2750'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (1935)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1935 (JB)
JU2750'THE STATION MARK, REFERENCE MARKS, AND AZIMUTH MARK WERE RECOVERED
JU2750'IN GOOD CONDITION.
JU2750'
JU2750'THE MARKS WERE RECOVERED AS DESCRIBED.
JU2750'
JU2750'NOTE THE ADDITIONS TO REACH THE STATION.
JU2750'
JU2750'TO REACH THE STATION FROM THE STANDPIPE IN LAKEHURST GO SW
JU2750'ON ROUTE 40 FOR 6.1 MILES TO AN ESSO FILLING STATION ON THE
JU2750'LEFT AND A T-MACADAM ROAD LEADING LEFT TO WHITING, TURN LEFT
JU2750'FOR 0.7 MILE TO A GRAVEL CROSS ROAD (THIS CROSS ROAD IS ABOUT
JU2750'0.1 MILE BEFORE REACHING A RAILROAD CROSSING AT WHITING), HERE
JU2750'TURN RIGHT ON A GRAVEL ROAD CROSSING A RAILROAD AT 0.35 MILE,
JU2750'CONTINUE FOR 0.75 MILE TO A DIM CROSS ROAD, HERE BEAR LEFT ON
JU2750'THE MAIN-TRAVELED GRAVEL ROAD FOR 0.4 MILE TO A RAILROAD
JU2750'CROSSING, CONTINUE FOR 0.05 MILE TO A CROSS ROAD, KEEP
JU2750'STRAIGHT AHEAD FOR 0.1 MILE TO A Y, BEAR RIGHT ON A GRAVEL
JU2750'ROAD FOR 1.0 MILE TO WHERE THE ROAD CROSSES A NARROW GAUGE
JU2750'RAILROAD, CONTINUE FOR 0.1 MILE TO A DIM ROAD RIGHT, TURN
JU2750'SHARPLY RIGHT FOR 0.1 MILE TO THE STATION WHICH IS LOCATED
JU2750'BEHIND A GRAVEL PIT.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (1987)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY LOCAL SURVEYOR (INDIVIDUAL OR FIRM) 1987 (CT)
JU2750'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (1991)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY NEW JERSEY GEODETIC SURVEY 1991
JU2750'THE STATION IS LOCATED IN MANCHESTER TOWNSHIP, IN A WOODED AREA ON THE
JU2750'NORTH SIDE OF PASADENA ROAD. TO REACH THE STATION FROM THE JUNCTION
JU2750'OF STATE ROUTE 70 AND COUNTY ROAD 539, NEAR THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF
JU2750'THE TOWN OF WHITING, PROCEED 3.05 KM (1.90 MI) SOUTH ON ROAD 539 TO A
JU2750'RAILROAD GRADE CROSSING, CONTINUE 0.48 KM (0.30 MI) AHEAD TO THE
JU2750'JUNCTION WITH MCMAHON AVENUE, TURN RIGHT AND GO 0.72 KM (0.45 MI)
JU2750'SOUTHWEST ON MCMAHON AVENUE TO A CURVE TO THE LEFT, CONTINUE 0.05 KM
JU2750'(0.03 MI) AHEAD TO A CURVE TO THE RIGHT, REMAIN ON THE PAVED ROAD AND
JU2750'GO ANOTHER 0.40 KM (0.25 MI) SOUTHWEST TO A SAND ROAD ON THE RIGHT ON
JU2750'THE CREST OF THE ROAD, TURN RIGHT AND GO INTO THE PARKING AREA, A
JU2750'FORMER GRAVEL PIT AT THE BASE OF THE BLUFF. THE STATION IS SET IN A
JU2750'CUT WOOD CLEARING, ABOUT 39 M (128.0 FT) WEST OF THE TOP OF THE BANK,
JU2750'77.7 M (254.9 FT) NORTHWEST OF THE CENTERLINE OF PASADENA ROAD ALONG
JU2750'A CUT AND BLAZED TRAIL LEADING INTO THE WOODS, 1.1 M (3.6 FT) EAST OF
JU2750'A CARSONITE WITNESS POST AND IS PROJECTING 0.2 M (0.7 FT) ABOVE THE
JU2750'GROUND. THE ENTRANCE TO THE SAND ROAD WHICH LEADS TO THE STATION IS
JU2750'ABOUT 22.0 M (72.2 FT) SOUTH OF POLE NUMBER JC 1665 MC AND 84.0 M
JU2750'(275.6 FT) NORTH OF POLE NUMBER JC 166 MC.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (1993)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY NEW JERSEY HIGHWAY AUTHORITY 1993
JU2750'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (1995)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY TWT CONS ENG 1995 (WPD)
JU2750'RECOVERED AS DESCRIBED.
JU2750
JU2750 STATION RECOVERY (2003)
JU2750
JU2750'RECOVERY NOTE BY INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTORS 2003 (GJT)
JU2750'THE STATION AND REFERENCE MARKS NO. 2 AND 3 WERE FOUND IN GOOD
JU2750'CONDITION.

 

[bobpbx]

When it comes to markers, Guy is the man! 8)

When were you there Guy? Note one of the road directions descriptions says:

"CONTINUE FOR 0.1 MILE TO A DIM ROAD RIGHT"

I thought I would only be the person to call a long abandonded road "dim" looking. No better name for some of them though, eh?

Good going............bob

 

[Teegate]

Most of the National Geodetic Survey Datasheets say Dim Road when they are in the woods. I had never heard that until I started looking for markers using the Datasheets. There are more markers there, but I did not think you would want them all posted. I noticed when I returned home that day that I missed one. It is an Azimuth mark and is quite a distance from the station. The next time I am in the area I have to look for it and then notify the NGS if it is viable.


I took the photo on 11/15/03 at 12:10:42 PM

Guy

 

[Ben Ruset]

Couldn't it just be another name for Webb's Mills?

 

[bobpbx]

Couldn't it just be another name for Webb's Mills?

Although it shows you are thinking Ben, no, I don't think so. Webb needed water for his Mill. This spot (Balcony Hill) is 204 feet above sea level, no water power.