While We Were Sleeping, Very Bad Things Happened

bobpbx

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Seven Scenic Savannas Guy. Hell of a memory. I was thinking about it last night. You drove by it the easy way.

 

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Seven Scenic Savannas Guy. Hell of a memory. I was thinking about it last night. You drove by it the easy way.

Great day for sure. I still have that knife I found. And I fixed the photo that did not work.
So, when are we going again? :D
 
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Teegate

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I visited the camera again today. I wanted to explore the area and see why it may have been there other than the obvious. From what I can tell it most likely is just to monitor who goes in or out and not to protect anything special other than the roads.

A closer view of the setup.

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We walked over 3 miles following roads, firebreaks and animal trails.

Smooth eggs in two different locations both quite remote and not near roads.

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I guess the hunter(s) felt they were deep enough to not bolt them down. Two at one location.

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Even another one semi nearby.

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Spring is here.

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Tony

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I visited the camera again today. I wanted to explore the area and see why it may have been there other than the obvious. From what I can tell it most likely is just to monitor who goes in or out and not to protect anything special other than the roads.

A closer view of the setup.

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We walked over 3 miles following roads, firebreaks and animal trails.

Smooth eggs in two different locations both quite remote and not near roads.

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I guess the hunter(s) felt they were deep enough to not bolt them down. Two at one location.

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Even another one semi nearby.

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Spring is here.

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the last two cameras are they on or near the Penn bike trail
 

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the last two cameras are they on or near the Penn bike trail
They are not on or visible from any trail. I don’t know the exact route of the trail but we traveled all around the area the camera’s were at and there was no trail nearby.
 

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the last two cameras are they on or near the Penn bike trail
I just looked up the Penn Bike Trail and we did cross it twice while walking. However, it is not close to the camera's. I did notice a well worn trail when we were walking down the firebreak to our vehicle, and looking at the map it was the Penn trail. We also I see crossed it on the road in from the gate.

So are you thinking they may have closed the roads to protect the bike riders as well as to keep vehicles out?
 

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I took close up photos of the camera at the gate on Tuckerton near Carranza and the camera is upside down. It is old and most likely not working. You can see the sticks behind it propping it forward.

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Tony

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I just looked up the Penn Bike Trail and we did cross it twice while walking. However, it is not close to the camera's. I did notice a well worn trail when we were walking down the firebreak to our vehicle, and looking at the map it was the Penn trail. We also I see crossed it on the road in from the gate.

So are you thinking they may have closed the roads to protect the bike riders as well as to keep vehicles out?I
 

svr32

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I was thinking about the debate again when the PPAs Jason Howell kept pushing the liability and safety issue. (by the way John Druding did and excellent job and kept cool) Let me preface this first by saying I think everyone should enjoy the diverse legal activities in the pines, but once you start dictating what people can/cant do then everything will be looked at. I know a lot of people enjoy the trips the PPAs Pinelands Adventures provides. This is not directed at them nor the good people that are employees there either. Its just a talking point about the way these restrictions were presented by a representative of the PPA itself.

Again- realize I am not pointing the finger at anyone. I am trying to say the reasoning presented at the debate for road closures is an absolute exaggeration but can apply to any and all activities.

The PPAs Pineland Adventures makes many trips all summer to and from the canoe drops over those roads.
1) they are bringing people in van loads back there and putting them into the water. What if a health issue or accident was to happen. Didn't the PPA invoke a liability on public land? This was a reason pointed out by Jason about liability
2) Emergency vehicle access was brought up, so isn't it the same thing if an emergency was to happen out in the water, stream, etc where they are surrounded by woods and there are no roads and emergency crews have issues accessing the location? This was a reason pointed out by Jason about safety and the need of maintaining ALL roads
3) they add greatly to the wear on those dirt roads with all their vans and trailers more-so that any normal weekend visitor. This was a reason pointed out by Jason about the cost of maintenance

These reasons can be twisted and applied to ALL activities, not just motorized access. In addition, if we as the public are no longer allowed to access public lands at our own risk and free will, then should someone be trucking people in for fees and using the public land for their own commercial/fundraising purposes?

The access plan prior has been working for years and John pointed out there is no data to prove it wasn't. The PPAs reasons needed to be fabricated to justify restrictions. The harder I look at what really happened here, and the more plastic whips and cameras I see, the more I realize the degree of injustice that was dealt to all of us. Who are these people at the DEP/PPA and I will even bring in the State of NJ responsible for the parks that have that kind of power to do this without pushabck? To fake public input, to skew the data, and to rollout a plan hatched in 2015 that was denied then for lack of public input. This time the input was done for show but blatantly ignored. Then the plan was re-implemented in the exact detail as originally presented in 2015. It’s one thing if we never had access, but we did for our entire existence to this point and I can see for many of us it is a huge part of our lives. That makes it a completely different scenario because they are now taking away something we had.

My point in all this - drop the BS and restore our freedom to roam. It’s such a stretch, not only restricted motorized access but to included bicycles and horses is INSANE.
 
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