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That photo only proves what we already know, that there are reckless pig-headed outlaws out there. Spoiled brats who need to be apprehended and punished. I don't see how it might prove any point that you seem to be trying make. Like when you said, "Some people just can't realize that those that...

You know, this really is a key part of the issue we've been debating all these years. Your statement, which I quoted above, seems to imply that attempts to rein in illegal motorized activities are futile. Here's what you said: "...those that want to destroy will always do so regardless of...

Sounds simple, and sounds like case closed. It's possible you grasp the situation better than I do. But, I would like to understand you better, because I remain skeptical of the idea that "those that want to destroy will always do so regardless of anything they [presumably the "they" here...

The plan I would like to see is, first, a map showing which of the existing lanes of travel are officially *proposed* for authorized travel by motorists. Second, I would like to see a reasonable opportunity for the public to comment on the proposed map. During that time, people could recommend...

I like doing word analysis, and I think you have a legitimate point in the distinction between conservation and preservation. The meanings of the two words, though, don't seem to me to be so cut and dried. One example would be the case of coastal plain intermittent ponds in the NJ pine barrens...

The nuance is right there in the conditional clause: "especially if your message is that *your* convenience and *your* personal recreational preferences are more important to you than conservation." I especially want people for whom that is true to go and express themselves. The real lack of...

By all means, be sure to go, especially if your message is that *your* convenience and *your* personal recreational preferences are more important to you than conservation.

First, let me just say, thank you for not resorting to ad hominem arguments. Second, if you are indeed a smoke jumper, as your screen name indicates, my hat is off to you. Firefighting runs deep in my family. My dad was a firefighter, and his dad was the Fire Marshall of San Antonio for many...

Evidently, you and I aren't making any progress on this.

First, roads and motorized traffic have serious negative ecological impacts. The legal road system in New Jersey has catastrophic effects, such that the NJ Fish and Wildlife people are engaged in a project to try to reduce those effects. See...

Bob, do you really expect us to believe that you were there when those regulations were written, and you were privy to the discussions of those who wrote those regulations, and you can testify that they "were written to cover every conceivable reason to close a road just to give them leeway in...

But what is your argument for why any illegally-created road should remain open?

You seem to have missed a key point I have been trying to get you to notice, the precise point referenced in the title of this particular discussion. Please read what the CMP says about motorized traffic in the Pinelands. When you oppose restricted motorized access to certain places in the...

First, there's no logical connection between the closing of the Chatsworth park and any perceived increase in illegal riding. You're making a post hoc, ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this) argument, which a classic logical fallacy. And, in any case, there was a legal...

Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that you're right about most of us knowing what the rules are, and most of us agreeing that we should follow the rules. The two key issues, as you indicate, are "road closures" and enforcement. What I would propose is switching the language from "road...

I agree that some illegal riders may be generally law-abiding citizens, and that they may restrict their lawlessness to this particular arena. I think it's also important to acknowledge that there's a wide spectrum within the lawless rider group. On the relatively innocent side, you may have ATV...

If your son wasn't violating any laws or regulations, then fine. If he was, shame on you for enabling him.

I also wouldn't say that everyone on an ATV is a bad person. But if they ride that ATV illegally, and flee from police, they are violators of multiple regulations. That's just a fact. And a lot of them are doing a lot of ecological damage. We can all feel whatever we feel about whether or not...

It's definitely "No." And, I hope we all agree that makes sense, because chasing increases the chances of somebody having an accident. An unintended consequence of that policy, though, is that it cultivates lawlessness. If illegal riders flee from police because they know that police won't chase...

Sorry, it wasn't clear to me that was your meaning. I can think of three possible ways that the CMP could be enforced, in the context of illegal riding. One would be for the state legislature to grant the Commission power to cite offenders and collect fines. The likelihood of that happening...