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Be a little more specific? Who should we be working with that we aren't working with? Who should we be trusting that we aren't trusting?

Bob, did you get the tags of the off-roaders and call them in to the state police or state forest? (I assume you are referring to kids driving 4WD trucks or jeeps.) I report offenders every time I can get a tag, and if more people would do this, it would help law enforcement catch some of them...

Thanks for posting the photos, Bob. I think we all agree that it is irresponsible ORV riding, not ORV's in general, that causes the trouble. I just have to keep saying, PPA believes the best way to curb this sort of thing is for the state to have a comprehensive program that includes...

Ben, I appreciate that you have put a lot of thought into this, and are trying to take both sides into account. I will point out again, that the state did not promise anything. A goal was stated, and the achievement of that that goal proved to be more problematic than any of us realized. What...

I forgot to reply about the cranberry farmers. I'm not sure what that's all about, but I don't see that as related to the ORV issue.

Tom, I think the guns and animal rights debate needs to be kept separate from this. I'm not saying it's totally unrelated, but I think it distracts us from the actual issue of ORV's. Similarly, I can't speak for enviro's in other states. I have heard that there are legal places to ride in our...

Okay, sorry. I guess I keep saying it because I keep hearing that argument from others. Your point about the enviro's is a good one. Talk about a long list of promises not kept and unfair laws and policies that benefit the bad guys! Well, maybe that's a topic for another forum...

Ben, I'm sure you know the history and details of the laws better than I do, but whatever bad motives or inconsistencies you charge the state with, it doesn't change the fundamental issue. We all know that politicians make promises they don't keep and anounce wonderful goals and timelines that...

You're right, I can't speak for the majority. That's presumptuous, and I take it back. What I should say is that the state has agreed with a large number of its citizens who believe that unregulated ORV traffic is unacceptable.

The failure of the state to establish the parks in the time frame that was originally stated (as a goal, I think, not a promise) does not justify violating the law. The establishment of parks, no matter how many and how big, will not resolve this problem. It will probably help. I don't...

Bronze, If you will make a specific point or ask a specific question, I will do my best to respond.

Right, and I think this brings up an important distinction. We all like to explore the pines. At many places, the roads are bad, so lots of us drive 4WD or dirt bikes. But we respect the law and the natural wildlife communities, so we stay on the designated roads. We also respect our fellow...

Okay, 10-4. Thanks. I re-direct my thank-you to Relayer.

Whiting, are you saying it was legal, before 2002, for you to ride your quads and truck off road in state forests and wildlife management areas? I was under the impression that quads have been banned from the state forests for some time, and that off road riding in the state forests was illegal...

Thanks, Barbara. The path forward that PPA chose was suggested to us by the riders themselves--initially by Officer Hector Tavarez. It involves a registration program for the vehicles, legal places to ride, and enforcement against offenders. We would like to see all three happen, and we continue...

Sorry it took me a while to get to this. I just got back to the site... On the personal level, I have been a hunter and a fisherman all my life. PPA and several other organizations that advocate against ILLEGAL ORV activity are not animal rights groups nor are they opposed to sport hunting or...

Now the monster truck guys can fire away...

King, look at what you just quoted. If I said, "Too many of the apples are bad" you wouldn't accuse me of saying, "All the apples are bad." My point was that the behavior of some of the ATV riders (too many) has caused people to not trust ATV riders in general.

Whiting, I'm not sure I follow you. What's your point? I will try to respond if I understand what you are trying to say.

Never said that. Take a closer look at what I said.