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You had a good day. I hope you are wrong about Winzinger. Steve

This photo needed some work but I like the way it came out. Steve

Several attempts you say? You'd think they would learn the lesson the first time. :mrgreen: Steve

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Here we agree Bob. Only I would add that it is the "all about me" attitude that has this war all f'ed up. "Saddam didn't personally and directly harm us (yet) so why are we there." People need to understand the past and have an eye to the future to understand the need for this. But most people...

No, that is what he was supposed to say. That is NOT what he said. Steve

Well if a plan is "Hey, lets give a bunch of guys guns and tell them who to shoot." well then yeah, it was planned. :mrgreen: Steve

Gee Bob, I don't know. You must be talking about some other quote. Steve

I made it Pines related. Remember? I said we should have left Bob in the swamp. :mrgreen: Steve

I was looking for him on Sunday. He could be anywhere. Sure we want Osama's ass but he's just one man that wants to kill us. There are hundreds of thousands more. Steve

Bob, there is nothing to interpret. That's the point. I think he meant if you don't do good in school you end up in Iraq. That is not my interpretation, that is what he said. If you press me however, I could interpret it as, "Hi, I'm John Kerry and I'm an idiot." :mrgreen: Steve

It makes great sense to me to gather your enemies in one place. Steve

Bob, King already said he thinks Kerry meant exactly what he said. Why does it need to be interpreted? How else can that statement be taken? You said in an earlier post that the administration was putting a spin on it. I disagree. Kerry is the only one spinning. He put his foot in his mouth...

Pretty much sums up every war ever fought throughout history. Steve

We should have left you in the swamp. :mrgreen: (this makes this thread Pinelands related now, right?) Steve

Clear as mud! You can read his statement a thousand times and you cannot get a bash of the administration out of it. He's just spinning it. Steve

I'm game. Carry me? LOL

It is a vernal pond (I'm guessing) that was our "Watering Hole" waypoint. The water was only about 6" to 9" deep with a flat sandy bottom. It is where the photo of us in the pond was taken. Steve

What can I say? We did it damn it! Our track: Length: 4.76 miles Time: 7 hours Rating: 8.33 We met at Atsion at 8:00. It was a sunny, crisp morning. It was the kind of day you dream of for a hike. And this was going to be some hike! For this hike we had Bob, Guy, Ed, Stu, Scott...

Come on ! You kids can do it! It might hurt afterwards but you can still do it. :mrgreen: Steve