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I think.. my opinion that the sites and facilities at BB are much nicer then atsion for the family camp. And the woods are nicer also. There is a gate just before Pakim Pond. not that I would swim there either but there are cabins there to rent and Atsion's cabins are larger and always...

from what I have heard... about 80 people will lose their jobs (state wide), those include staff that clean the rest rooms and clean and maintain the parks, No camping, no clean rest rooms for daytime visitors. Areas that have gated sections will be off limits. No summertime help will be...

Know any user groups?? Does anyone belong or can put me intouch with any diffrent user groups, Hiking, biking equestrain, scouting, camping, jeep, 4x4... anyone... or have them contact me....

Friends of Brendan T. Byrne State Forest will be sponsoring a Rally at Pakim Pond in Brendan T. Byrne State Forest on Saturday May 17, 2008 between the hours of 1:00PM and 3:00PM. We need everyones support to show the Governor that the forest is being used and should not be put on a Passive...

I use to go there for pizza when I went to Shawnee. Remember the old Tabernacle Inn, when it was a single story, dark and dreary building.

Maybe next time we park in the campground and go from there, he is determined to make it to the fire tower the next outing. It was looking like rain and the temp dropped real fast the last time we went.

you might be refering to the water elevation on the topos, not all have them and I have found many incorrect at times too.

I am waiting for these handhelds to come with the 24,000:1 series topo maps instead of the 100000 series. Guess I'm just spoiled using them at work all the time and prefer the better detail... Till then I carry my old megellen 315 and some printed topo maps of the areas I traval to...

That's some nice work.... gives you a look of how things have changed.... or should I say built up in the surrounding towns also...

I hiked about 2+ miles in from the trail head just after the campground across from Caranazza Mem towards Apple Pie Hill with my son today. It was a last minute adventure. We by-passed the road piece after the camp. Started just before the 3 foot bridges on the road there

I have hiked from Caranzza to Apple Pine hill more then a few times, It's a very nice section with the foot bridges and elevation changes with Tea Time Hill along the way.

Agreed 100%... So if the required buffer is 100 feet, lets make it 150', 150% of the regulation or recommended buffer.. To better protect and preseve. As long as facts are facts and the info used is unbias and not a one sided study, I see no problem with this.

Well..... to quote a part of a great American song "this land is your land, this land is my land" please refer back to post #1 in this thread...:dance: It's not like the "traffic" is going to be like setting up camp next to RT 70 on a summer Sunday after noon. There are many times I...

That where the "rotation" of used trails comes to play. It would fall under the management part of the whole system. there are plenty of cuts that run parallel to each other. One option could be with the rangers in Wharton now having 2 dual sport bikes to patrol, they could monitor and under...

Not discounting the rest of your post, but I'm afraid some will only see that part... In my opening up the use of fire breaks, I am not proposeing the use of every single one. Any that would enter areas like you state would not be included in any proposed trail system. Further more, what...

Understood... but if the land owner is able to reopen the operation and start the sand mining again, wouldn't that defeat the same concern you have?? on another point, if a portion of the land might or could support T & E species, why could it not be only a "protected nature landscape"...

What you talken bout, Willis? :rofl:

They were worried about the erosion of the bank, the same one that canoes and kayaks are drug up and down 200 times a day, 5/6 months of the years and all the canoe rental trucks

the format they use is 3 different loops back to the start, the longest approx 22 miles shortest is 12, the ride is considered "appropriate for new riders and riders with new horses" after each loop when making it back to the start location the riders are required to feed, water and allow...

fire breaks are wider then the typical trail that a hiker or 2 wheeled bicycle or motorcycle would use. the berm on each side from the cut created also contains the traveled path through the woods. If they were designated as part of a trail system, I'd bet the enduro clubs would, within the SF...