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By the way, and I don't know how this happens, but it also happens in Ben's historical maps; if you want to really zoom in, "right click on the map and choose open image in new tab". Suddenly it's zoomed in properly on the new tab (for those who don't know).

Not to mention the damn deer flies and ticks in the summer, along with the humidity.

Yes, in our days we could go across that small bridge and head to Atsion or downstream to cross Constable Bridge. And yeah, the holes are deep and scary, but they have a hard bottom.

This whole exercise is a tragedy. :(

I drove most of this road last year. It's open and well-used. I wonder if farmers had any say in whether they wanted some of the closures?

This road closure will be felt keenly by botanists and riverside swimmers.

That's comprehensive, well done. This missing link below has quite an impact, and there are others. I wonder if the yellow can be a color that has more contrast. It blends too well into the map colors.

Ah, the West Mill Road question. A thoughtful strategy along with concentrated and sustained pressure must be used to resolve that issue.

I'd like to see it.

I honestly have never seen a quad in Wharton, but I only got over there about 4 or 5 times a year.

Ben, is that a recent quote by you, or an older one?

Yes, and I do recall that many agreed if they used the topo maps from the 1997 era, we'd stand by it, because at that time we were just trying to stop the bleeding. Do you remember this on the front page article? NJPineBarrens.com and Open Trails NJ are taking the position that: We support...

I'm not sure of that yet Ben. I don't recall the Superintendant trotting out a topo and saying; "you can only drive on these roads". I think, even if it was not a topo, that there was something else. I could be wrong, but I'm not convinced yet.

By the way, wasn't there a planned closure map crafted by the Wharton Superintendant that was worse for us, well before the Pinelands Commission helped make the amalgamated map?

Boyd, on that amalgamated topo you posted, many trails created by some method and used over the years are not shown. That's why the DEP took the position that they should not be there at all. And some biologists and scientists (both state and private), who study the flora and fauna, gave them...

Jason, I don't know about the rest of the people on this forum, but reading this gives me a kind of out of body experience; like I can't figure you out or your game plan after all these years of you trying to convince us the 2015 map was good. Are you having second thoughts? Anyway, in my...

Goodbye Tulpehocken, we hardly knew ye.

How's this: There is some opposition to these maps, such as from people who live in the pines and have enjoyed these roads for decades with their friends and family. They use them to go to great spots in the forest for hunting, swimming, hiking, and communing with nature. They oppose the maps...

You'd have to dig 250 feet deep under the landfill to see mine. Sure he wrote it, he was inciting his mob.

Love in the afternoon. I always liked the concept. Jerry Garcia created the 'Jerry Garcia Band' aside from the Dead. The one and only album made was "Cats under the Stars". I've always liked this song on that album.