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When I'd get really hot, I'd go here to the canoe launch on Dover Road just west of Dover Forge and sit in the cool cedar stream. Not big enough to do more than that. Also, under the bridge at Double Trouble....the main bridge over Cedar Creek just south of the village.

Absolutely right! Was there today, first time. Was poking around the spillway. I had no idea that beach was County with no stinking badges required. Nice spot.

Where is this?

You have a good point John, for that instance. But think of the other situation, the wind turbines off LBI. Should those LBI locals have all the say if the electricity is used throughout the state as needed? And also consider....in 1980 when the pinelands were formed, should the only people...

I always understand where you are coming from, yes. As to the pine snake and Walmart, I'm sure the Commission absolutely knew there would be snakes in development areas, but they went ahead and created these orange and yellow areas as a concession, but still upon their approval. I can guarantee...

And if we go to the yellow area on the other side of Country Lakes, it's already coded for rural development but MUST be run through the Pinelands Commission. There is no other answer than PPA used this to obfuscate the issue; it has nothing to do with the current development plan. Why PPA...

I understand what you are saying, but that land can in no way be built upon anyway. It's mostly swamp and streams. So the cry is to save something that has already been saved due to its nature. And even more, it's already protected by Forest designation.

PPA using all their money to dupe people into voting for saving all the areas designated Regional Growth (orange below) is just crazy. Go right ahead, tell them all this stuff is all the last remaining wilderness, then. Not me, I'm satisfied with what the FEDS and NJ agreed to in 1980. It was a...

I'm starting to see some of the silly stuff environmental organizations are raising hell about, and I'm disgusted. This is as bad as the denial of a walmart along route 37 in toms river because one pine snake was found on the site. Move it, then. That was also in a regional growth area. And the...

Here, I fixed it for you guys. If your car breaks down in the wildernes, R&R automotive is only 100 yards away.

I intentionally did not count the area close to the lands already developed. Are you saying they are part of the last remaining wilderness? Imagine looking across from China King, while eating your egg roll, and remarking that the area across the street must be the last remaining wilderness...

Al knows that I still want to do a plant survey on this little peninsula of sand that juts out into a flooded sand mine down there. We were exploring there about 15? years ago. We walked up to this oddity through a forest clearly not pine barrens, and suddenly came upon a little peninsula with a...

From the petition wording: "The proposed development pushes right up to the edge of what the Pinelands Commission will allow in proximity to wetlands." So, where is the problem here? "NJ’s Affordable Housing Laws specify that at least 20% of all “for-sale” homes need to be affordable as well...

Of course Jason is banking on hoping that entire rural development area in orange is taken off the table. But that's wrong. People who owned that property when the plan was developed should not have the rug pulled out from under them 40 years later. Jeff larson is a member of PBX. I know him...

Actually Guy, the Pole Bridge Branch is right next to it. I canoed that section in 1978 or so with a flotilla of other guys and a case of beer. Very choked in shrubbery. We went all the way to Mount Misery Brook where we stashed a vehicle somewhere.

The entire thing is deceptive unless Jason can prove otherwise. Over 300 people signed that petition, and I'll bet most didn't even look into it.

Thanks Gabe. I used to live in Browns Mills in my youth. This is not some "last great expanse of pinelands wilderness". It's right next to Country Lakes, and It's only about 130 acres they would further develop beyond the senior community already there. And if the Pinelands approves it in this...

You have still not given the full story. Where exactly are these 700 acres near 530? What percentage of that is already zoned under the Pinelands Commission, and what is the curerent zoning. The precursor advocates leading to the Pinelands Commission went through a lot of trouble in the 1970's...

I love the map (s/), and deplore the propaganda. Isn't it already zoned as a rural development area and subject to Pinelands Commission developmental review?

Great stuff. That company projected a great knowledge in what they were selling, and in how to get it and sort it.