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Teegate

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My family is disturbed by the thought that someone can do that for no reason.

Guy
 

Lorun

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Makes me wonder about the type of people out in the woods. Even though I hunt I have great love for animals and it scares me that someone could kill without empathy.

My dad told me about how he saw a red fox when he was hunting in his younger days. Said he could never think of killing such an animal for know reason so he let it be. To bad the person who did this did not feel the same.

Since it was so close to your house it may have been someone you know.
 

woodjin

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Bob. I didn't see this thread till after I got your email. So they took the fur from one and just left the other to rot. That is wrong. I think hunting is supposed to include the collecting and hopefully consumption of the prey. If not consumption at least they could have taken the fur from the other one. What a waste. Looked like a healthy coyote though. Their populations are fairly low in the pine barrens. They really don't need management at this point. I guess they just wanted to shoot them because they didn't like the competition for the deer. Lame excuse. Scott was right, too many out of town hunters this week. Saturday morning I saw about 200 hunters in the woods. Too crowded.

Jeff
 

dragoncjo

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That makes me incredibly angry. Why would they just leave one and skin the the other. I heard from somewhere that there are only about 300 coyotes in south jersey. Damn I'm pissed off now, wish I didn't see that.
 

Teegate

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That makes me incredibly angry. Why would they just leave one and skin the the other. I heard from somewhere that there are only about 300 coyotes in south jersey. Damn I'm pissed off now, wish I didn't see that.

The photo you didn't see is in my mind criminal. Someone who could do that is someone who could kill a human.

Guy
 

foofoo

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that is indeed a waste. they can be legally harvested but to just disguard of it that way in the open is wrong. where did you find them? the person obviously took the head and hide to be processed at a tannery.i dont know if there worth eating but i know the turkey buzzards will eat good and it wont go to waste.as to why they left the other one.that is wrong! as far as their numbers they have exploded in the pines.i dont need to see studies because i sat over 20 days in my hunting areas the last 3 months and most always heard coyotes and packs of them chasing down deer. numbers estimated to be 3,000 statewide. im not one for killing something i wont eat but there is a need to keep numbers in check just as with fox,mountain lion and bear. when i was a youngster you could hunt rabbits and find them all over. now that no one hunts the fox much and you cant find rabbits in good numbers. its all about keeping things in check. the coyote is a smart creature. you will never hunt them all out. ask anyone who lives in rural parts of new york,pennsylvania and especially maine. they may look like a cute fluffy dog. http://websearch.cs.com/cs/boomfram...urbs.com/pb-dyn/news/281-03272005-468635.html
 

swwit

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Their populations are fairly low in the pine barrens. They really don't need management at this point. <<<



Actually the population is very healthy in the Barrens. While hunting small game the game warden told us to shoot any coyotes we see because they are too numerous. You have to remember that they are extreemly hard to spot. just because you don't see them doesn't mean they are absent.
 

woodjin

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I wouldn't say there is an over abundance of them. Not by a very long shot. A game warden said to shoot them on sight!!! Wow, that is illegal. He shouldn't be telling anybody that. His call on them being too numerous seems highly subjective to me. Coyote historically make themselves very visable when the populations get out of hand. That is clearly not the case in the pine barrens.

Jeff
 

swwit

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I wouldn't say there is an over abundance of them. Not by a very long shot. A game warden said to shoot them on sight!!! Wow, that is illegal. He shouldn't be telling anybody that. His call on them being too numerous seems highly subjective to me. Coyote historically make themselves very visable when the populations get out of hand. That is clearly not the case in the pine barrens.

Jeff


It's not illegal to hunt them at all. It's an extra $2.00 for the permit with a bag limit of two per day. It's not uncommon at all to see tracks appear after a night of stocking birds and finding dead partially eaten pheasants. Thay re very much there.

If they are so hard to spot SWWIT, how does the Warden know what their population is? Do they have a coyote "field gage"?

Maybe you need to ask the wardens about that. I've hunted all over the state and even where they are abundant they are not "easy" to spot.
 

woodjin

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I was under the impression that coyote season had passed, but upon checking the nj hunting seasons I see that coyote season extends from 11-11 to 2-19 or somewhere around that date. I stand corrected on that comment.

However, I don't believe the is an over population of coyote in the pine barrens. I have been casually tracking a pack in the Franklin Parker Preserve, I have seen their kills and I have seen them, but I doubt that the population universally in the barrens is so out of control that random killings are justified for the sake of preserving the diminishing (?) deer population.

I realize this is an opinion. Some may be of the mind set that an opportunity to "take them out" is justified. It is legally required that the kills are reported which does not seem to be the case with these two Bob found.

Jeff
 

bobpbx

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As a follow-up note. I had told a guy about them and he asked to see them. Today, when we when out there, the fully furred guy was still looking smooth, soft and pliable, rigor mortis had not set in. I find that very strange.

This time I did notice something odd since it was daylight. There were 9 deer heads plus entrails dumped within 10 feet of the coyote. They were there before but behind the fire berm. Lying next to them were a dozen fish; looked like snapper blues.

Bait.

Nuff said.
 

swwit

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As a follow-up note. I had told a guy about them and he asked to see them. Today, when we when out there, the fully furred guy was still looking smooth, soft and pliable, rigor mortis had not set in. I find that very strange.

This time I did notice something odd since it was daylight. There were 9 deer heads plus entrails dumped within 10 feet of the coyote. They were there before but behind the fire berm. Lying next to them were a dozen fish; looked like snapper blues.

Bait.

Nuff said.


Very strange indeed. I've been told that in some states people make what they call a roadkill pit to dispose of the dead animals found on the road. But this doesn't sound anything like what you describe. Wierd.:eek:
 

foofoo

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I realize this is an opinion. Some may be of the mind set that an opportunity to "take them out" is justified. It is legally required that the kills are reported which does not seem to be the case with these two Bob found.

Jeff
how do you know? i believe you just have to call a hot line to report a kill. the prefered way to hunt coyotes in maine is to create a pile of animal parts and things like chicken parts and to hunt them at night. it is also legal to hunt them at night in new jersey during part of the season. it is my opinion in the greenwood area there are more than enough to be hunted. the deer kill for the fall archery season is down 20%. coyotes may have some of the impact in my opinion. lots of fawns dont make it from what i see.
 
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