A letter to the editor of the Courier Post
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Guy
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Guy
Brave hunters
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Sounds like a "canned" hunt to me. Despicable. I've seen these where guys pay $2000 to have a bear turned loose in a paddock so they can shoot it from behind the fence. The issue I have with the letter is that this person is making sweeping generalizations about hunting and hunters because he saw two lowlifes getting their jollies on Youtube. Most of us respect the laws of fair chase and simply wish to carry on tradition, feeding our families and enjoying nature in the process. 'Nuff said.
Sad,but i agree with badfish, there are always a few rotten apples that try to tarnish everyone else's reputation.That, in my opinion,what they did is not what is called the sport of hunting,and i think all the hunters and sportsmen on the site will agree.Long live the nra.
the story is biased anyway. the gomer who wrote in says in the first couple sentences hunters being attacked and that being justice and all. this kinda person makes me sick. probably rather see a chicken live than feed there family . what a sick-o. we are meat eaters get over it. as far as canned hunts i dont know of any operation that offers bear hunts in a pen. but bottom line if you kill it and eat it why should it matter if its killed by the assembly line process we get our meat from or in a controlled ranch with a fence. some of those ranches are the size of a county. im sure some of those animals never see a fence. turn a couple hogs loose and i can pretty much guarantee they will be wild in no time.look at HOGZILLA
Thats one of those things that really gets to me. Real "brave" men they are, I hope they rot in hell. That is sad.
Not to lean one way or another on this topic, I note that there is no proof the video really exists or that it shows exactly the situation described. The guy reporting it has no credibility with me; just somebody posting something on the web.
With stories, claims, pronouncements, and amateur writing so cheap and easy to obtain these days, we have to scrutinize sources carefully before we become agitated and work oursleves into a frenzy. Choose carefully the battles we fight and the causes we defend.
With stories, claims, pronouncements, and amateur writing so cheap and easy to obtain these days, we have to scrutinize sources carefully before we become agitated and work oursleves into a frenzy. Choose carefully the battles we fight and the causes we defend.
Sadly, even though that video may not exist (and Bob raises a good point) I know that some do. As a matter of fact, those of you who like country music might have heard about the recent fining of Troy Gentry of Montgomery Gentry because he failed to obtain the proper permit for a "canned hunt" where he shot a bear that was caught and released on a preserve. I like Montgomery Gentry's music, tolerate their political stances, but their ethics as far as hunting just plain suck. You'd never catch Hank Jr. doing that! On another note though, I gotta say that as far as these guys go-hunters they ain't. They're just rich guys looking for a thrill. Scott, myself, and other "little people" who just go out in the woods for a week or two every year for a little peace and quiet and if we're lucky, meat for our table-we're hunters. Well, even though this one hasn't found his way into the woods for a while...lol
the video exists.
Notice the music in the background. Pretty gay.
Come to think of it, is it legal in any state to kill both parents of a cub(s)? Maybe in this case not, since it was self-defense....
Notice the music in the background. Pretty gay.
Come to think of it, is it legal in any state to kill both parents of a cub(s)? Maybe in this case not, since it was self-defense....
you guys need to get out of the city a little more often. this was in FREEKING ALASKA . this is not a hunt in a pen. THESE WERE GRIZZLY BEARS. ALSO i guess you all missed the line where the hunter and guide expressed that they were sorry it had to go down that way. they werent laughing it up and high fiving each other. the sow was on a charge. in the few seconds they had to react they did try to scare it off is what i saw in the video. its unfortunate that nature has programed these animals to kill anything when it gets near its space when they have cubs. grizzlies dont bluff charge like black bears do. just like hippos in africa that kill more people than anything they become violent at the drop of a leaf. the only thing i cant figure out is why the sow was near another boar bear. they usually dont like to be near each other. this was a unique and sad circumstance that never happens but they did the right thing. to beat up on the hunters is wrong. they did the right thing. in case you didnt see there was an investingation by the state and they were found to be in the right. i will say it again. you probably kill more life walking to your cars going to work in the morning. squash a bug step on a plant. its all life and its all sacred but just because its furry and cute makes it no different. if you dont care how your chicken or beef gets to your freezer thats o.k. for me. i choose to be pro active and when i can fill my own freezer.
i love to hunt and i love to eat. it cant get any more perfect than that.why cant it be fun too.in alaska you are on the bears terms. its the whole process of the hunt and not the split second it takes to end an animals life. if you cant stomache it thats o.k. but dont bash because you cant understand it. thats just silly. im going now to defrost some wild boar meat.
On the bear's terms? You're kidding, right? Do you really think the bear in the video had snowball's chance in hell? These cowardly "hunters" clearly had absolutely no respect for the bear. But it's just life, right?
if you dont care how your chicken or beef gets to your freezer thats o.k. for me. i choose to be pro active and when i can fill my own freezer.[/QUOTE]
I am willing to discuss the rights and wrongs of hunting with vegetarians. Otherwise it is somewhat hypocritical to talk against it if you allow someone to due the killing for you.
However seeing that bear have to go down that way really just gives me the feeling those hunters should have been somewhere else. Just does not seem right. Sometimes thing are hard to define. This to me falls into the category of “I do not know the definition of porn but I know it when I see it”. Hunting bears like this looks wrong to me. Seeing that mother go down like that is something I do not want to have the stomach for.
Ron
I am willing to discuss the rights and wrongs of hunting with vegetarians. Otherwise it is somewhat hypocritical to talk against it if you allow someone to due the killing for you.
However seeing that bear have to go down that way really just gives me the feeling those hunters should have been somewhere else. Just does not seem right. Sometimes thing are hard to define. This to me falls into the category of “I do not know the definition of porn but I know it when I see it”. Hunting bears like this looks wrong to me. Seeing that mother go down like that is something I do not want to have the stomach for.
Ron
I'm sure 'ol Charles in the video wishes he had shot a couple warning shots, or at least had put a shot in the sand in front of the sow. He'll live with this one for the rest of his life. The video and music in the background will always haunt him.
Foo; you said.."its unfortunate that nature has programed these animals to kill anything when it gets near its space when they have cubs".
Its unfortunate for who? The Bear? You say that likes its some sort of defect we 'humans' should not have to put up with. Should she have instead yelled across the tundra...."hey, nice shot"!
Foo; you said.."its unfortunate that nature has programed these animals to kill anything when it gets near its space when they have cubs".
Its unfortunate for who? The Bear? You say that likes its some sort of defect we 'humans' should not have to put up with. Should she have instead yelled across the tundra...."hey, nice shot"!
Ron brings up a good point. A logical justification for or against bear hunts such as the one depicted in the video can get rather complex. As I see it, if a person doesn't have that intuitive sense that somethin' just ain't right (and I'm talking about this particular hunt altogether), than that tells me that either this person doesn't have the faintest clue of how intelligent these creatures are or has such knowledge yet choose not to appreciate and respect the bear. Either way, something is certainly amiss.
foofoo, what exactly is your argument for justfying killng Grizzly bears for fun?
Also, you said that life is sacred and in the same breath seem to have said that it's ok to go around killing living things. What definition of the term 'sacred' to you have in mind?
Also, you said that life is sacred and in the same breath seem to have said that it's ok to go around killing living things. What definition of the term 'sacred' to you have in mind?