Dead deer in the Mullica

ICANOE2

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Hello all I'm new to the site. I have been lurking for a few weeks now and decided to sign up tonight and share what I seen on my canoe trip on the Mullica river.
We (me & my GF) canoed from Atsion lake to Pleasant Mills yesterday. (7.5hrs):bang:
Along the way we encountered several dead deer in the water and smelled others that we did not see.
Not long after the start did we smell and find the first of a total of 10 dead deer. Apon finding the first deer I thought no big deal, maybe it got hit on rt. 206 and fell into the river and floated down stream. Then another and another and another.......... About 3/4 of the way through the trip there was an 8 point buck that was pinned against a partially submerged tree that we had to cross rite next to. I thought we were going to get stuck on the log rite next to the rotting deer, the smell was horrible but it had a nice rack. LOL
Of the 10 we saw (all floating in the river) there were at least 5 others we smelled but didn't see.
I wonder why there are so many dead deer floating in the river? One or two dead deer would have been no big deal, but 10 plus it seems very strange????
Mike
 

bobpbx

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Hello all I'm new to the site. I have been lurking for a few weeks now and decided to sign up tonight and share what I seen on my canoe trip on the Mullica river.
We (me & my GF) canoed from Atsion lake to Pleasant Mills yesterday. (7.5hrs):bang:
Along the way we encountered several dead deer in the water and smelled others that we did not see.
Not long after the start did we smell and find the first of a total of 10 dead deer. Apon finding the first deer I thought no big deal, maybe it got hit on rt. 206 and fell into the river and floated down stream. Then another and another and another.......... About 3/4 of the way through the trip there was an 8 point buck that was pinned against a partially submerged tree that we had to cross rite next to. I thought we were going to get stuck on the log rite next to the rotting deer, the smell was horrible but it had a nice rack. LOL
Of the 10 we saw (all floating in the river) there were at least 5 others we smelled but didn't see.
I wonder why there are so many dead deer floating in the river? One or two dead deer would have been no big deal, but 10 plus it seems very strange????
Mike

That is not natural. I wonder if some highway department worker is dumping them in the creek as they find them on the road. You should send an email to the Forest Service.
 

mike242424

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Yeah, one would seem underatndable becuase sometimes when deer are shot or injured and water is near they will head for water. But having xeveral deer floating down the river like that is pretty weird. I guess someone could be dumping them in the river, but thats definately the wrong thing to do in my eyes.
 

ICANOE2

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Well I just sent an email to Nj Division of Fish and Wildlife explaining my findings and attaching my post here also. (I wonder if they will respond):rolleyes:Maybe when:pigfly:
It has been fall bow hunting season now for a few weeks. If the deer were wounded by hunters you would think I would have seen at least one arrow. If poachers had shot them I should have notice at least one of them with a gunshot wound.
I doubt they all were dumped in from the highway since we have had no significant rain that would have washed them down stream. They would have been all piled against the first log jam. I didn't notice any damage to them other than what the flies were doing to them. I'm no expert but if I were to guess the deer have been there from a few days to a few weeks as they were in varying stages of decay.

Mike
 

andy1015

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i was talking to a few people at the mullica about two weeks ago and he told us about all the dead deer and was wondering himself what may have happened. He said he would ask the canoe rental place guy who was picking him up, thinkin maybe he would know. He did asked the canoe guy and his explanation was the two forest fires. i don't know if that makes sense, but that is what he said. I didn't know but there was another small forest fire after that huge one a few months ago.
 

Teegate

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The forest fire seems the only plausible natural reason why that may be. But it would be nice to know what the reason is.


Thanks for the post canoe!

Guy
 

ICANOE2

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It doesn't seem like the fires would be the cause to me. If they were killed in the fire they would still be laying in the woods. As I said before there has not been any significant rain that would be capable of washing them into the river or down stream.
Going out on a limb here, maybe they freaked out from the fire and ran to the river and had heart attacks. Being hydrated floating in the river has slowed decomposition.
 

Lorun

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They are dying from a midge fly bite that is carrying a virus. Bel Haven canoe told us to take note of the spot any dead deer we find and report them for environmentalist to investigate. This was told to us this past weekend. We smelled something dead many times going down the Batsto. Seems this may be a big problem for the population.
 

LARGO

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It is somewhat disquieting.
The dumping doesn't sound too far fetched. As far as environmental issues, I am not sure but in some way would not GermanG on this site have some input?

g.
 

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They are dying from a midge fly bite that is carrying a virus. Bel Haven canoe told us to take note of the spot any dead deer we find and report them for environmentalist to investigate. This was told to us this past weekend. We smelled something dead many times going down the Batsto. Seems this may be a big problem for the population.

Seems odd that they are all dying near the/a river primarily.

Guy
 

ICANOE2

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Well I just Googled deer dying and found many articles about it mostly in the south east and western PA. Here is one article I cut and pasted from the search.
Whats is very interesting the article states, is that once the deer become infected with the disease they seek out water immediately. Possible connection here as to why the deer are in the river.


Southern bugs responsible for deer kill
Sunday, August 26, 2007
By Scott Shalaway
With the opening of the first deer hunting seasons just weeks away, news of white-tailed deer dying in two southwestern Pennsylvania counties has raised concern among both the hunting public and Game Commission biologists. Since early August, more than 50 deer have died in Greene and Washington counties.

Post-mortem studies are underway at Penn State University and the Southeastern Cooperative Wildlife Disease Study at the University of Georgia. Dr. Walter Cottrell, Game Commission wildlife veterinarian, says, "While we must wait for test results to confirm just what caused these deer to die, at this time, we suspect that the deer died of epizootic hemorrhagic disease (EHD), based on the field signs that we are seeing."

The same thing is happening in Tennessee. Alan Peterson, a wildlife biologist with the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, has received reports of EHD from across the state during the past few weeks. Biologists at the University of Georgia confirmed EHD in Tennessee, and said the outbreak is affecting deer all over the southeastern United States. Perhaps weather plays a role.

EHD is a blood-borne viral disease transmitted to deer by a species of biting midge (a mosquito-like fly) that is common across the South. Because much of the South is in the midst of a three-year drought, water is scarce and many deer are forced to drink from the same water sources. That concentrates the deer so the midges can infect more individuals in one place.

Jerry Feaser, a Game Commission spokesman, suggests that these midges may have traveled to Pennsylvania on northbound weather fronts. He said these flies can't survive Pennsylvania winters, so the disease should not persist in the state. The Game Commission also points out that EHD is not infectious to humans, though severely infected deer should not be eaten.

When deer are infected with EHD, they begin showing symptoms within seven days. Deer with milder infections develop a high fever and seek out water immediately. They often have pronounced swelling of the head, tongue, neck and eyelids and may have trouble breathing...... .....

Fortunately, as many as two-thirds of the deer infected with the disease survive, and once they've had the disease they develop a natural immunity that keeps them from being infected again. And female deer that survive the disease often pass the immunity to their fawns through their milk.

The first occurrence and identification of EHD occurred in 1955 when several hundred white-tailed deer died in New Jersey and Michigan. Since then, outbreaks of EHD have occurred in white-tailed deer in many northern and Midwest states: South Dakota (1956), Michigan (1974, 2006), Nebraska (1976, 1981), Wyoming (1976), Kansas (1976), Missouri (1980), Wisconsin (2002) and in the same region of Pennsylvania (2002). Outbreaks occur almost annually in the southeastern states.

A common observation in outbreaks involving large numbers of deer is that they are single episodes which do not recur. That's the good news. The bad news is that when outbreaks occur in the North, the disease is more virulent, and the death rate is higher. Apparently Southern deer populations are more genetically resistance to ERD.

The name epizootic hemorrhagic disease describes its primary symptoms. Hemorrhages vary in size. The most often affected organs are the heart, liver, spleen, kidney, lung and intestinal tract. Extensive hemorrhaging results from impaired blood-clotting ability and degeneration of blood vessel walls.

White-tailed deer develop signs of illness suddenly. Initially, they lose their appetite and fear of man, grow progressively weaker, often salivate excessively, develop a rapid pulse and respiration rate, and finally become unconscious. Hemorrhage and lack of oxygen in the blood results in a blue appearance of the oral mucosa, so the disease is sometimes called "bluetongue." Eight to 36 hours after the onset of observable symptoms, deer pass into a shock-like state, collapse and die.

State wildlife agencies rely on public vigilance to report dead or dying deer; otherwise outbreaks of EHD could go undetected.

One final note: Dr. Cottrell reports that EHD is not related to Chronic Wasting Disease, a neurological disease of deer that has made headlines the last few years.
 

Lorun

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The folks at the rental office said it was not dangerous to people. I was bit by a biting fly while at the rental place so I hope they are correct.

From NJ Fish and Game

September 7, 2007
Personnel from the Department of Environmental Protection’s Division of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) are investigating a possible outbreak of Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD) in deer in Hillsborough Township, Somerset County.

A hunter scouting for the upcoming deer season called the Division of Fish and Wildlife and reported finding 15 dead deer on his hunting club property. A dead deer fawn was recovered from the property by Fish and Wildlife biologists on the morning of September 7 that did exhibit visual signs of having EHD. The pathologist from the DFW’s Office of Fish and Wildlife Health and Forensics is performing the necessary laboratory tests in order to confirm the preliminary diagnosis.

EHD is a common viral disease in deer contracted from the bite of insects called biting midges. New Jersey has had occasional and localized outbreaks of EHD documented in 1955 (Morris and Somerset Counties,) 1975 (Warren and Sussex Counties) and 1999 in Salem County.

The disease causes high fever and hemorrhaging from the mouth, nose and eyes before death. Deer may go to water to cool off or drink. In northern states EHD usually kills the animal within five to 10 days. It is not spread from deer to deer.

Humans cannot contract EHD and although some EHD symptoms are similar to those for Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) such as excessive drooling, weakness and a loss of fear of humans, there is no relationship between EHD and CWD.

The EHD outbreak should end with the onset of colder weather, which will kill the insects that spread the disease.

The Fall archery deer season in New Jersey begins in many of the agricultural and suburban areas of the state on Saturday, September 8. Hunters observing deer acting abnormally are advised to not harvest the deer, but rather report their observations to Dr. Douglas Roscoe at 908-735-6398.

EHD outbreaks have been confirmed this year in Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana, Virginia, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

From a different sight:

A warning is going out to hunters in New Jersey after an outbreak of a rare, deadly virus affecting the area deer population.

An outbreak of Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD) in wild white-tailed deer, caused by an RNA virus transmitted by biting midges, began in the last week of August and first week of September.

According to animal wildlife officials, 15 deer were reportedly found north of Amwell Road, west of Millstone in Hillsborough Township, Somerset County. On September 12, eight deer were discovered in Royce Brook. Twelve deer deaths were reported along the Manatico River drainage in Cumberland County and six dead deer were found in a nearby drainage of Mud Creek North of Union Lake in Pittsgrove Township.

When a deer is bitten by an infected midge, the virus causes blood clots, damage to the linings of the blood vessels causing leakage of serum and hemorrhages. Deer, who do survive the infection may develop ridges or bands on the hooves and in more severe chronic cases they may slough the hooves and develop secondary infections becoming lame and emaciated.

The Office of Wildlife Health and Forensics and deer project personnel are investigating the findings.

Any deer with no apparent wounds found dead in or near water should be suspect EHD cases and the OFWHF should be notified by calling 908-735-6398.
 

woodjin

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They might be appearing near the river because the virus has a secondary effect of thrist on the animal, or it is instinctual for deer to seek water to drink when they are sick (just a guess)

Jeff
 

ICANOE2

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I copied and pasted another article about the EHD but it said the post had to be reviewed by the mods. Maybe it was too large of post.
It does state that when the deer become infected the get a high fever and seek out water. Possibly why they are dead in the water.
 

ICANOE2

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WOW!!! I can't believe I got a responce from NJ Fish and Wildlife on the email I sent them. Not much of a message but maybe someone will look into this. Hopfully the Dr. will reply to my message, I will keep you informed.
This is the responce I got from them:
Thanks for your message which I forwarded to Dr. Roscoe. PT

Paul Tarlowe, Wildlife Education Specialist
NJFishandWildlife@dep.state.nj.us
The N.J. Division of Fish and Wildlife is a professional, environmental agency
dedicated to the protection, management and wise use of the state's fish and
wildlife resources.
http://www.NJFishandWildlife.com
 

ICANOE2

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I just found this article that was in last weeks Star Ledger about deer kills in NJ.
Quote from the article:
"On Sunday, canoeists reported seeing about 15 dead deer on the Mullica River in Wharton State Park near Hammonton and Shamong. "The carcasses were reportedly found by smell," noted Fish and Wildlife, which said the animals are now being tested for EHD."
 
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