door from 1902??????

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while a co-worker and myself were snooping around at some of teh historic parts of our work, we happened to stumble across a door on an old structure with a tag on on it " IS Thorn CO with a date of Sep. 22 1902. The tag is made of brass. What puzzles me is the place that we work wasn't aquired until 1916 and didn't open until 1917. So the whole 1902 thing just doesn'tmake sense to me. Even the hiunges look like something of back then. I'm curious to know more about the IS Thorn CO. ?The only thing I can think of is that either the tag or the door was used from a different building on the property before Sacony-Vaccuum Oil bought it in 1916. Also. on the tag it also says the company was based out of Philadelphia. I may be able to get some pictures of the door,hinges and tag if you think it would help.
 

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The only thing I can think of is that either the tag or the door was used from a different building on the property before Sacony-Vaccuum Oil bought it in 1916.

My grand-father worked for Socony-Vacuum Oil and my dad after him, both on the water. Where is this place you speak of?
 

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if your'e saying that they worked on the "water" as in the "water treatment" area this door is right there on the remains of an old powerhouse. the otrher neat thing in here is that there are 2 (that i know of) valves and pipe t's that have swastikas stamped on them from "crane steel". after doing some research, Crane Steel is actually an American company that used the swastica before it got its whole Nazi Germany reputation, meaning the valve and pipe t date back to the 20's. However this door has thrown me off track hardcore. Any history of this place let me know, I'm thinking of writing something up.
 

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Nope, they worked on the coastal and inland tugs. Socony/Mobil had/has a couple of depots around for oil & gasoline.
 

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Door from about 10 ft away. Notice the red brick surrounding the frame except for one part that looks more like a ceramic hollow block (brown). our older tanks dating back to the orgin of the plant(1917) have a insulation wall built around them with these blocks.
 

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tag on door close up showing the i.s Thorn CO. mark. Tag is brass and has a decorative surrounding. (sorry about the clarity of the pics. from being a camera phone and some paint still on the tag it makes it hard to read.)
 

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As I mentioned before my grandfather also worked at Socony before it became Socony-Vacuum. I called my mom and she says he started there around 1920 when he was 19 years old. She believes his brother Willie, George, and Warren also worked there. His brother Albert worked at Dupont, and his brother Joe worked as Sun Oil right across the road. They closed that plant and moved to the Chester area which I believe is Marcus Hook. My moms sister who just died worked at Socony-Vacuum during the war as a lathe operator.

My mom also said her sister has a photo of my grandfather at the plant. Her husband is now cleaning the house out, and I will call my mom now to ask her to see if he can find it and give it to me to scan. If I do I will pass it along.

Guy
 

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Guy, words couldn't describe the appreciation for a copy of the photo. Bruset, I was wondering the same, oji. I'm gonna have to go up there and look at it again.

NJbill brought up something that made sense. It looks like the name of the company is "J.S Thorn" and not "I.S Thorn"
 

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Yes,my thanks also go out to Bill. After a little more research, The powerhouse that this door at one time went to, is the original powerhouse dating back to 1917. So the door was installed during the construction which was probably during 1916. The date is a pantend date, so it could have been sitting in a warehouse for a while or it could be from 1916.
 

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heres a painting/pic of how the place used to look if you were on a road that is still there today. The only 3 things remaing are the 2 stacks off to the left and the road itself, and alittle bit of the pipe on the right. Due to there only being 2 coal burning stacks it indicates that the painting was done before the second powerhouse construction which was in the 20s.
 

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mudboy dave:

Sorry for the tardy response to your query, but I have not posted for a several weeks. Regarding the company for which you seek information, Jacob Steinmetz Thorn, born on 1 August 1836, began his business career as a clerk for the iron merchant firm of Martin and Smith in 1855. Two years later, he went to work for Moore, Henzey & Company. He remained there but a short time before obtaining a position with the architectural iron business of J.P. Stidham & Company and their successors, the Philadelphia Architectural Iron Company. During his tenure with this company, Thorn engaged in negotiating many large building contracts and managed the construction of several prominent buildings. In 1878 he purchased the Philadelphia Architectural Iron Company after the former owners retired from the business. He restyled the company as the J.S. Thorn Company and established a new production facility at 12th and Callowhill streets, where the business flourished. According to an 1881 Philadelphia City Directory, the company occupied a complex of buildings located at 1203 to 1209 Callowhill Street and specialized in “metal cornices, cast zinc, ornamental work, and builders’ light iron work,” so fabricating with and forming sheet metal became a real specialty for the company. Thorn’s employment rolls grew to several hundred workers as his products proved to be in demand. In addition to the J.S. Thorn Company, Jacob also served as president of the Thorn Shingle and Ornament Company and the Vulcan Company by 1904. He held several patents, gained in the 1880s, for interlocking sheet-metal roofing tiles. Steel window units, including one that operated automatically, also proved a specialty and he received a patent for them in 1902. Although Thorn died on 2 March 1910 in Savannah, Georgia while on a business trip, the company continued operations until the Great Depression caused the company to enter bankruptcy and close down.

The tin-clad door you observed in the boiler house is a transitional fire-resistant door before all metal doors became commonly available. The theory behind constructing such doors is that the tinned metal would provide a set time of protection before the wood core would heat sufficiently and burst into flames. Hopefully, firefighters would extinguish any blaze before the wood inside the metal would combust. Fire insurance and factory mutual companies developed such fire-resistant doors in an effort to stem losses from major conflagrations. Generally, the naked, tinned finish of the sheet metal would resist the fire better than if the door had received a coat of paint. Likewise, sheet iron, galvanized iron and other types of sheet metal did not offer the same fire protection as tin-clad doors due to a lower resistance to fire. No nail heads could protrude from the door as the nails would act as a heat sink into the wood. The tin sheets had to be lock-jointed in order to work efficiently and no wood could be exposed to the air and potential fire. The insurance companies would not permit soldered joints as the flames would cause the solder to melt and the plates fall from the door. Although many of these types of doors remain in place, all metal doors eventually supplanted them. Visits to old manufacturing complexes, and especially the boiler houses, will demonstrate that these types of doors still survive in goodly quantities and will continue to function as designed as long as the tin sheets are properly maintained.

Best regards,
Jerseyman
 

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Mudboy,

Hopefully I have not posted this before and I apologize if I have. I was going through my moms photo's and found one at Mobil on 12/6/1952. It had to have been a tour of the plant with the employees and their families. My grandmother is the short woman in the middle, my mom at the age of 24 is to the right of her, and my grandfather is to the right of her. It is hard to believe but I am older now then my grandparents were in the photo. It is obvious the employees are wearing the tags, and my mom has no recollection of even being there that day and has no idea who else is with them. Also, Jessica is now older than my mom was in that photo.

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And as I mentioned I may have other photo's later this summer when relatives arrive to clean out my aunts basement. She saved everything she ever acquired and it will take quite a while to remove it all I am told.

Guy
 

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Jersey man ,
Thank you very much for the information about J.S. Thorn . My grandfather , father , andtwo uncles all worked there . At some point , the company moved to Allegheny Avenue ( I believe near 20th Street ) . I was there as a boy with my father in the 1950's . The company was run by the Doering family until the 1960's when it was taken over by a Fenestra Corp . ( I think run by the Pritzker buccaneers ) which moved the plant to Erie , Pa. Its last location in Holmesburg ( Northeast Philadelphia ) burned in a huge fire in the late 1990 's . Al Doering , a fine gentleman , had been trained as an engineer , and recently retired as a lawyer . He has quite an album of photos of the plant and scores of employees .
 
Jersey man ,
Thank you very much for the information about J.S. Thorn . My grandfather , father , andtwo uncles all worked there . At some point , the company moved to Allegheny Avenue ( I believe near 20th Street ) . I was there as a boy with my father in the 1950's . The company was run by the Doering family until the 1960's when it was taken over by a Fenestra Corp . ( I think run by the Pritzker buccaneers ) which moved the plant to Erie , Pa. Its last location in Holmesburg ( Northeast Philadelphia ) burned in a huge fire in the late 1990 's . Al Doering , a fine gentleman , had been trained as an engineer , and recently retired as a lawyer . He has quite an album of photos of the plant and scores of employees .

ex rep:

Thank you for the new information on J.S. Thorn and welcome to the NJ Pine Barrens forums. I appreciate you filling out the story of the company; my source material petered out during the Great Depression, suggesting the company went belly-up, but there is nothing like the first-hand familial knowledge that you possess. The photo album sounds fascinating; it would be great if Mr. Doering would scan it for posting on the Internet!

Best regards,
Jerseyman
 
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