Sounds like pheasant hunting at Collier's Mills when I was a kid.
Cheney accidentally shoots hunting partner
Cheney accidentally shoots hunting partner
Going hunting with the Vice Prez? Bring a flak jacket...
- Thread starter Badfish740
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New Jersey charges a licensed resident hunter $40.00 for a Quail Stamp on top of their regular license fee.
Texas only charges $7.00 for their quail Stamp.
It looks like hands down Texas offers the better deal becuse you are entitled to one lawyer with your stamp as a bonus.
I wouldn't mind paying $40.00 here in NJ if I new I could pepper a lawyer.
After all, you know what you call 100 lawyers on the bottom of the ocean right?
A good start.
Scott
Texas only charges $7.00 for their quail Stamp.
It looks like hands down Texas offers the better deal becuse you are entitled to one lawyer with your stamp as a bonus.
I wouldn't mind paying $40.00 here in NJ if I new I could pepper a lawyer.
After all, you know what you call 100 lawyers on the bottom of the ocean right?
A good start.
Scott
What's the difference between a porcupine and a Porsche with two lawyers riding in it?
A porcupine has pricks on the outside.
A porcupine has pricks on the outside.
RednekF350 said:
Last report I heard had it that Cheney hadn't bought the quail stamp. Ergo, he wasn't legally entitled to be quail hunting . Just a "hunting accident?" Hell; he was carrying a gun loaded for quail in egregious violation of Texas game laws.
I wonder if Cheney'd discovered that that lawyer had made donations to Democrats back in the 60s...???
Sounds more like "attempted inadvertent manslaughter" t'me.
Dave
any quail hunters here?
I've murdered my share of clay pigeons, but never quail, but... that pattern spread (from the lawyer's cheek to just below his nipple) looks too damned tight to have been shot from 30 yards out - no matter how the gun might have been choked.
And to have a wee quail pellet completely pass thru clothing and the thoracic wall to lodge in the heart sounds t'me like possibly a shot from much shorter range than 30 yards. Remember also, this was a li'l 28-gauge gun, not a big Betsy.
Any comments from experienced shotgunners/handloaders who test their patterns?
Dave
Badfish740 said:
I've murdered my share of clay pigeons, but never quail, but... that pattern spread (from the lawyer's cheek to just below his nipple) looks too damned tight to have been shot from 30 yards out - no matter how the gun might have been choked.
And to have a wee quail pellet completely pass thru clothing and the thoracic wall to lodge in the heart sounds t'me like possibly a shot from much shorter range than 30 yards. Remember also, this was a li'l 28-gauge gun, not a big Betsy.
Any comments from experienced shotgunners/handloaders who test their patterns?
Dave
uuglypher said:
Dave
One of the most common misconceptions about shotguns and their effectiveness, is that the smaller gauges are weaker than the larger gauges.
In reality, there is no difference at all between gauges in the lighter shot loads such as that used for small game.
Buying your kid a .410 as a starter gun because of the lighter recoil does nothing to reduce the leathalness of the weapon.
One has only to look at muzzle velocity ballistics to find that a 28 gauge load (Cheney's weapon) will release a 3/4 oz. load of 7 1/2 shot at 1260 feet per second (fps) while a 12 gauge releases a 1 oz. load at 1180 fps. The 28 gauge will actually have greater retained energy than the larger 12 ga at any distance due to the higher velocity. A .410 3" game load leaves the barrel at 1175 fps., same power.
People go to a smaller gauge weapon for the lighter gun weight and the challenge of hitting your target with a smaller payload of shot.
The disparity in the gauges begins only when you start taliking about magnum loads and large shot like buckshot. Large gauges like 12's are capable of handling more powder and more shot than a 28.
When you look at a light game load (like that used for quail) in a 12, 20, 28 or .410, there is vitually no difference in velocity or retained energy.
Cheney whacked this guy at 30 yds which could have been lethal with a larger shot size.
Luckily, they were hunting quail and using 7 1/2's.
I preferred 8's for quail when they were around to hunt. A lot less meat damage.
For lawyers, I think one would have to consider No. 4 buck at a minimum.
Scott
Thanks, Scott-
I figured there'd be someone here who could relieve me of my (unexpectedly extensive) ignorance.
Well, Cheney finally came out of the woodwork and sounded absolutely, totally, and abjectly human about the whole thing. I gotta admit; its the frst time I've ever felt empathy for that man. A truly unfortunate episode. Would that he'd been able to pull it together and say those same words the day it happened. It could have avoided the rampant speculation by those of us who seem only to see the worst possible side of the guy. Let's hope for the best for his inadvertent "target of opportunity" (See; I just can't help it!)
So ... for lawyers ... #4 buck for starters, eh?
Best t'y'all,
Dave
I figured there'd be someone here who could relieve me of my (unexpectedly extensive) ignorance.
Well, Cheney finally came out of the woodwork and sounded absolutely, totally, and abjectly human about the whole thing. I gotta admit; its the frst time I've ever felt empathy for that man. A truly unfortunate episode. Would that he'd been able to pull it together and say those same words the day it happened. It could have avoided the rampant speculation by those of us who seem only to see the worst possible side of the guy. Let's hope for the best for his inadvertent "target of opportunity" (See; I just can't help it!)
So ... for lawyers ... #4 buck for starters, eh?
Best t'y'all,
Dave
RednekF350 said:Dave
One of the most common misconceptions about shotguns and their effectiveness, is that the smaller gauges are weaker than the larger gauges.
In reality, there is no difference at all between gauges in the lighter shot loads such as that used for small game.
Buying your kid a .410 as a starter gun because of the lighter recoil does nothing to reduce the leathalness of the weapon.
One has only to look at muzzle velocity ballistics to find that a 28 gauge load (Cheney's weapon) will release a 3/4 oz. load of 7 1/2 shot at 1260 feet per second (fps) while a 12 gauge releases a 1 oz. load at 1180 fps. The 28 gauge will actually have greater retained energy than the larger 12 ga at any distance due to the higher velocity. A .410 3" game load leaves the barrel at 1175 fps., same power.
People go to a smaller gauge weapon for the lighter gun weight and the challenge of hitting your target with a smaller payload of shot.
The disparity in the gauges begins only when you start taliking about magnum loads and large shot like buckshot. Large gauges like 12's are capable of handling more powder and more shot than a 28.
When you look at a light game load (like that used for quail) in a 12, 20, 28 or .410, there is vitually no difference in velocity or retained energy.
Cheney whacked this guy at 30 yds which could have been lethal with a larger shot size.
Luckily, they were hunting quail and using 7 1/2's.
I preferred 8's for quail when they were around to hunt. A lot less meat damage.
For lawyers, I think one would have to consider No. 4 buck at a minimum.
Scott