Movin' on out

[dogg57]

New Jersey residents voted with their feet in 2009, with nearly 190,000 opting to move out of state, according to a new U.S. Census Bureau report today.That loss was not offset by out-of-state residents moving into the Garden State. Just 136,212 moved in as 189,956 moved out, according to the census estimates for state-to-state migration flows. That is an estimated net loss of 53,744 residents out of 8.7 million.

http://www.app.com/article/20110523...-residents?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

 

[46er]

I hope they were all Benny's & Shoobie's

 

[this_is_nascar]

New Jersey residents voted with their feet in 2009, with nearly 190,000 opting to move out of state, according to a new U.S. Census Bureau report today.That loss was not offset by out-of-state residents moving into the Garden State. Just 136,212 moved in as 189,956 moved out, according to the census estimates for state-to-state migration flows. That is an estimated net loss of 53,744 residents out of 8.7 million.

http://www.app.com/article/20110523...-residents?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

This doesn't surprise you, does it?

 

[GermanG]

I never thought I’d feel this way, but I’m starting to question the prospect and wisdom of remaining in New Jersey after I retire. In seven years I will be burning my mortgage and may be able to retire a few years before that. One can sell a paid-for house in New Jersey and buy a similar home with much more land somewhere else with a hefty stack of cash left over, not to mention paying a fraction in real estate taxes as well. I love this state’s historic and natural areas but the expenses and regulations have gotten out of hand. Much of what I do will be based on where my kids settle, however. I have plans on being as much of a pain to them in my old age as they’ve been in their youth.

 

[46er]

I never thought I’d feel this way, but I’m starting to question the prospect and wisdom of remaining in New Jersey after I retire. In seven years I will be burning my mortgage and may be able to retire a few years before that. One can sell a paid-for house in New Jersey and buy a similar home with much more land somewhere else with a hefty stack of cash left over, not to mention paying a fraction in real estate taxes as well. I love this state’s historic and natural areas but the expenses and regulations have gotten out of hand. Much of what I do will be based on where my kids settle, however. I have plans on being as much of a pain to them in my old age as they’ve been in their youth.

Have you looked at the real estate market lately? There are so many foreclosures going for pennies on the dollar that a homeowner wanting to sell is at a serious disadvantage, and the forecloseures keep right on coming. That inventory is going to take a very long time to clear. We planned on moving up to the cabin we had built and friends from work did make a move, and some are paying a price. This state has everything I like or need in one easy to get to package, and none of the natural problems that plague other areas. Sometimes it's not just about the money.

 

[this_is_nascar]

Before I was laid-off, I had the opportunity to travel because of my job. Nebraska, Denver, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee were the states I'd fequent the most. Every one of them was considerably cheaper to live in than NJ. Those southern states were even more of a bargain. I've lived in NJ for all of my 49-years. While it's been an "OK" experience, I don't think I can ever rule out moving out of the state sometime in the future. When you consider what your money gets you in everyone of these other states compared to NJ, you'd be amased.

 

[Ben Ruset]

I've often considered moving across the river to PA. Bucks County is so nice, but from what I've been seeing, not much cheaper to buy a house than in Monmouth/Ocean counties.

 

[this_is_nascar]

I've often considered moving across the river to PA. Bucks County is so nice, but from what I've been seeing, not much cheaper to buy a house than in Monmouth/Ocean counties.

I agree. Not that I'd want to live in Delaware, but even there it's much cheaper to live than in NJ. More house/land for the money, considering less money in property tax, much less in auto insurance and tax-free shopping. That being said, if you work in Delaware, you get taxed at a high-rate.

 

[46er]

A site to help in the search for greener tax pastures.

http://www.bankrate.com/taxes.aspx

 

[piker56]

.... Sometimes it's not just about the money.

My wife and I have talked about retiring, moving or staying here. The closer we get to that age, the more we talk about it. So far we've always come to the same conclusion. We've visited lots of nice places, but New Jersey is home. Thus far we haven't found a spot where we could see ourselves living. I love the Florida Everglades, the Adirondacks, West Virginia and many other beautiful spots we've visited, but home is the Pines. It's where I fish, hike, meditate, where I've made so many memories with family and friends. It's home. If we ever have to leave, it will be a very tough decision!
Greg

 

[GermanG]

Leaving would certainly not be an easy thing for me. Home will always be home. But Paterson was home to me for my first 21 years. Whatever nostalgia I still feel for the town would never be enough to move back to the hell it has become. That sentiment certainly can't be extended to all of New Jersey, but the areas that it does apply to seem to be increasing every year.

 

[Boyd]

I have lived in a lot of different states, but have been in NJ for many years now. I have a home with land that I really like, my taxes are about as low as they can be for NJ (less than half what I was paying in Medford) and it's all paid for. So I am staying for the time being, taking early retirement this summer so no more long commutes to Philadelphia. Everyone who wants to leave should just go - why waste time living somewhere you don't enjoy? There are too many people here already, I'm all for a shrinking NJ population.

 

[this_is_nascar]

I have lived in a lot of different states, but have been in NJ for many years now. I have a home with land that I really like, my taxes are about as low as they can be for NJ (less than half what I was paying in Medford) and it's all paid for. So I am staying for the time being, taking early retirement this summer so no more long commutes to Philadelphia. Everyone who wants to leave should just go - why waste time living somewhere you don't enjoy? There are too many people here already, I'm all for a shrinking NJ population.

I can appreciate what you're saying, but be careful in what you ask for. Imagine when people and businesses coutinue to leave and the tax-base decreases. Your taxes that "are about as low as they can be for NJ" will quickly increase as the tax-base, corruption and politics-as-usual increase. It's a no-win situation.

 

[Teegate]

I have lived in a lot of different states, but have been in NJ for many years now. I have a home with land that I really like, my taxes are about as low as they can be for NJ (less than half what I was paying in Medford) and it's all paid for. So I am staying for the time being, taking early retirement this summer so no more long commutes to Philadelphia. Everyone who wants to leave should just go - why waste time living somewhere you don't enjoy? There are too many people here already, I'm all for a shrinking NJ population.

Congrats Boyd on the early retirement!

Guy

 

[46er]

Anyone been watching the coverage or the midwest tornado's? Unbelievable, have never seen anything like it, except for the aftermath of a bombing run. The news related the story of a teenager being sucked out the sunroofl of the suv he was riding in; his father was driving. The teen has not been found yet.

Sure glad we don't get those things here.

 

[Boyd]

But we *do* have tornadoes here (although not of that severity). It wasn't that many years ago when one ripped through Lebanon State forest. I remember seeing a wide path of trees that were snapped right off. I think it also damaged the Developmental Center across the road.

Then, more recently there was this: http://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/the-jemima-cyclone.6543/

 

[46er]

But we *do* have tornadoes here (although not of that severity). It wasn't that many years ago when one ripped through Lebanon State forest. I remember seeing a wide path of trees that were snapped right off. I think it also damaged the Developmental Center across the road.

Then, more recently there was this: http://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/the-jemima-cyclone.6543/

There is absolutley no comparison.

 

[Boyd]

As I mentioned before, I was born and raised in Missouri. My grandmother's town was destroyed by a tornado that made the national news. Believe me, I *know* the difference....

 

[bobpbx]

But we *do* have tornadoes here (although not of that severity). It wasn't that many years ago when one ripped through Lebanon State forest. I remember seeing a wide path of trees that were snapped right off. I think it also damaged the Developmental Center across the road.

Then, more recently there was this: http://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/the-jemima-cyclone.6543/

Guy, Jeff, and several others of us were hiking over behind Lebanon Lakes a year or two later, and we found clothing in the trees in a very remote spot. It had to be that storm.