New Garmin GPSMAP 66i

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Sure, they're a monopoly so I guess you just need to take what you get. I thought the explanation might be of interest since you didn't seem to understand. Sorry, I have no dog in that race, I'm in my "post-Garmin" phase now. :D
 

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@NJCoastal - was looking at your screenshot again and realized that it doesn't correctly represent the sizes of these two devices. The GPSMap 66 screen is only 2.5 inches high but the Montana 700 screen is 4.25 inches - a huge difference. So I took the images into photoshop and re-scaled them. I believe this correctly illustrates just how huge that beast is! :clint:

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Here's a major question I have as well...they don't mention that the aerial view is 12 years old. Is Birdseye updated? Why don't they say what the source date is? I think they hope you don't think about that.

Well Bob, I have good news and bad news. Good news first, here's Garmin's FAQ about the age of BIrdseye imagery

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=bcTgJcwxCE51OYksg89DZ6

"In February 2020, BirdsEye Satellite Imagery was upgraded. Customers who have downloaded satellite imagery in the past will notice that the only available option now is BirdsEye Satellite Imagery Subscription V2. If you have older imagery under My Collection in BaseCamp, re-download the area for improved image quality."

OK... but here's the bad news, I just read this at GPSFileDepot

https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=5019.msg26343#msg26343

"The reason for my post was in reaction to Garmin ending Birdseye subscriptions. The only option for Birdseye currently is with Birdseye Direct, which works on few Garmin devices."

I hadn't heard about this before, but evidently it's true Garmin has discontinued the "classic" BIrdseye, as indicated on their site

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/70144#overview

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Apparently this happened about a month ago, couldn't find much about it. Some discussion here:

https://www.gpsrchive.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1941&sid=130f81cc102cc85683f44f155d2761e0

I cannot confirm this, so caveat emptor. Like I said, I no longer have a dog in the race but this sounds pretty bad on the surface. Better hang on to whatever you've got and make sure you have it on a memory card, you may not be able to get any more. :argh:

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I suppose their answer would be to spend $600+ for a new Montana 7xx or GPSMap66xx because they include the "lifetime" Birdseye Direct subscriptions (which are apparently not compatible with our older devices).

I dropped mine on the driveway last week and now I have two horizontal lines across the screen connected by sound wave lines that won't go away. Hopefully this problem does not expand or I will have to buy a new one.

You will need to confirm this because I'm just guessing. Assuming the above is true, that might mean a replacement Montana 6xx would not be able to use any of your existing Birdseye because it was authorized for the old GPS and they are no longer authorizing new Birdseye in Basecamp.
 
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Give it a try and see what happens. As I understand, that first link is "old news" from 2020 and the "new news" is that it has all been discontinued. Do you have an active (paid-up) Birdseye subscription? Because I think you're out of luck if you don't, since you can no longer purchase one. And, while you might be able to download the imagery into Basecamp, you would not be able to transfer it to the GPS without an active subscription.

Let us know what happens if you try to download and send to your GPS.
 

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It will work, but if I read this download message correctly, I would need a new subscription, and I need to delete the old first.

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If I were you, I wouldn't delete anything. Maybe there is some other way, but when I go to the Birdseye page it says it's discontinued and you cannot purchase it.


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Yeah, I entered through BaseCamp, so that's likely the gateway. Regarding their customer service, it seems all the workers are assigned "if" they have a moment free from whatever else they are doing.
 
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Yeah, I entered through BaseCamp, so that's likely the gateway.

Was curious, so just tried this myself on my DriveTrack 71 using Basecamp. It will let me download Birdseye into Basecamp even though I don't have an active subscription - this is the same as always. When I try to send it to the GPS I get this message - again, just what I would expect.

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I then click the "subscribe" link and get this

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So... I think you are screwed unless you have a currently active Birdseye subscription (do you?). Otherwise, you can download imagery to Basecamp but cannot send it to your GPS because it has been discontinued. :argh:

Let me know if you get different results.
 
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The subscriptions I buy only last one year for downloads. So within one week of buying the subscription, I download all of South Jersey. That was over a year ago, so I don't have the right anymore.
 

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Just make sure you have a backup of all the imagery on your GPS, because you are not going to be able to get any more. Also, if you have imagery in Basecamp that you have never sent to your GPS, then you will never be able to send it to your GPS, you will get the same error as I posted above. The authorization does not take place until the imagery is sent to the GPS from Basecamp.

This is a really poor way to treat customers. If they were going to do this they should have warned everyone. There is not even any info on their site showing this has changed, they still have all the old help files that are wrong. A friend who is well-known for his Garmin software and maps just wrote me "Garmin are running out of feet through which to shoot themselves."
 
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