New PPA brochure
- Thread starter Jon Holcombe
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It wasn't my position, it was my blind faith in humanity! LOL! I tend to let that show from time to time Jon
Joe, I had trouble typing and posting my reply, I was so startled to see the words "I stand corrected" on this forum.
Joe, I was not referring to you specifically. Your theory was perfectly logical. I, on the other hand, have no faith in the inherent common sense of humanity.
How many of these silly vehicles are actually out there? The propaganda material recently posted wants us to believe they are a major presence/threat, and so all off-road access must be prohibited. Has there been any data presented? How are these things registered with the state?
I agree with Jon: less b.s more facts.
Oops! I also "stand corrected" (Don't fall off your chair Jon). I thought that prohibition was what the PPA was advocating.
Jersey Girl, Ben's excellent article is a very good starting point, posted by 46er previously.
https://www.njpinebarrens.com/pinelands-commission-to-consider-wharton-map/
https://www.njpinebarrens.com/pinelands-commission-to-consider-wharton-map/
I wish it all could be that easy. I think we all can agree that type of land abuse displayed on the links in this post cannot be tolerated in the pines. However, the PPA propaganda clearly attacks all ORV pine barren access in general, including the responsible, conservative users and enthusiasts exploring our beloved pines. Instead, efforts and focus should be directed at preventing these types of abuse thru enforcement rather than publishing an overly dramatic presentation advocating a thinly veiled message in advocating for the very unpopular and restrictive MAP initiative that would only impact and hurt the law abiding, pine loving enthusiast. As I type this response, it is eerily familiar with the tactics used to erode our constitutional 2nd amendment rights. It has been my experience and observation that both Jason and Al do not have ANY desire to acknowledge this point of view but rather go to the extreme stance employed by the recent brochure.
There are quite a few more than just those 2, but they have become the 'poster children' of the PPA's continuing MAP campaign.
I wish that too. I do not advocate this type of abuse anywhere, let alone the Pines but it happen.
The PPA wants to rile up their like-minded folks to see every truck that is out there as what these trucks pictured are doing. I agree enforcement would go a lot further to help stop the pictured abuse. I love the pines and do not feel that a MAP is necessary. Now I have wondered aloud whether the state choosing to not clear fallen trees on some roads is their way of 'closing' a road without closing a road, but that is just my two cents.
Pope,
I believe I know where that is. The trucks may be parked on the Button Buck Gun Club property. Check out my photo next to it. They were closer and semi higher in the air when taking it. And most likely much more recent. And at a different time of year.
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I would agree with you on the picture's location. Nice work by the way. I know the one photo had a posting date of 2017.
It does not take much effort to move one out of the way. If it is naturally fallen is one thing, purposely cut another. I carry my small battery powered chain saw that works quite well; slow, but faster than a handsaw
