Anybody familiar with the regulations regarding motorized recreation in the Pinelands? I read some stuff in the CMP, but then I wonder if there's any actual compliance or enforcement. Not sure what to make of it...
I don't claim to be any expert. I wonder what the CMP actually says.I would think you would know more about that than most of us.
I'm trying to understand this in the context of recreation versus access. Conceivably, lots of people have legitimate claims to access for some specific purpose. It seems to me that is a separate issue from claims to access for undefined recreation.Maybe someone here would know. I have no idea.
So the issue is that when you go "there" are you going "there" in accordance with the legal constraints. What, exactly, are the legal constraints?To be honest I don't even understand what that means. All I care about is when I want to go there I go there. I don't damage anything and I don't drive in wetlands. Nobody should. And for those that have legal vehicles and respect the place ...... I say go for it.
Yes!So the issue is that when you go "there" are you going "there" in accordance with the legal constraints.
Motor Vehicle Laws of the StateSo the issue is that when you go "there" are you going "there" in accordance with the legal constraints. What, exactly, are the legal constraints?
Sounds to me like you are on a fishing expedition, or setting traps Russ.Anybody familiar with the regulations regarding motorized recreation in the Pinelands? I read some stuff in the CMP, but then I wonder if there's any actual compliance or enforcement. Not sure what to make of it...
Yes, but what do you find specific to the CMP? For example, I have been hearing for a long time that the Enduro events are specifically endorsed in the CMP, but I just heard the other day that's not true at all. Not that I'm opposed to Enduro events--assuming they are conducted appropriately. I just wonder how the rumor got started, if, in fact, it isn't fact-based.Motor Vehicle Laws of the State
of New Jersey, N.J.S.A. 39-1
In the case of these motor vehicle violations, the Commission shifts the burden of enforcement to the DEP, which is treated as if it is the "owner" of the state forest. The DEP, in turn, has been almost entirely negligent in its responsibility to enforce, which has sent the signal to the violators that they can get away with just about anything. Now, it seems, the DEP leadership realizes that it has cultivated a subset of users who believe they are immune to prosecution, and who get worse and worse every year, so it is seeking a way to reverse the course.
I support the State Park Police, and I definitely agree that some of the problems you cite apply sometimes, and in some situations. Their ability to enforce would certainly be enhanced if they had better funding, but I think we should all encourage them to enforce more strictly using the resources currently available, while we also work to get them more resources, which is a primary goal of #FixOurParksNJ.The enforcement issue is as you say the problem. But unless the Park Police get money they can't be everywhere. And the vehicles they have just don't cut it. I would not want to be them having to try and get to some of these locations having to deal with the complaints from superiors when they damage the vehicle. And unless there were 3 or more at a location it is just not safe for them to confront groups of individuals anymore.
I have to ask Russ, since I'm familiar with the problems of unregistered riders at the Candace Ashmun Preserve. What does NJCF do about that situation?I sincerely doubt they are afraid to confront small groups of riders.
Well, that’s a pretty bold statement. What’s your plan to adress that?In my experience, too many cops have been letting violators off with mere verbal warnings too routinely. This appears to be due to the fact that too many law enforcement officers are themselves engaged in illegal riding, or they have friends or family who are engaged in it. It could also be that too many law enforcement officers just don't see the illegal riding as such a bad thing. They aren't well-versed in ecological facts.
We've tried a lot of things. Barriers, plantings, signs, calls to police. We've spent thousands of dollars trying any and every common-sense measure we can think of.I have to ask Russ, since I'm familiar with the problems of unregistered riders at the Candace Ashmun Preserve. What does NJCF do about that situation?
#FixOurParksNJWell, that’s a pretty bold statement. What’s your plan to adress that?
The problem I'm having is with the interpretation of the CMP. It says:Anybody familiar with the regulations regarding motorized recreation in the Pinelands? I read some stuff in the CMP, but then I wonder if there's any actual compliance or enforcement. Not sure what to make of it...