Guy,
I realized that I know where it was also, as well as the actual Old Half Way. I wanted to go out there and find the foundation pits at some point in the future. I wonder how many are associated with "Old Half Way".
Scott
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Guy,
I realized that I know where it was also, as well as the actual Old Half Way. I wanted to go out there and find the foundation pits at some point in the future. I wonder how many are associated with "Old Half Way".
Scott
You would have to be familiar with old property lines to understand where the location of it was. I don't think it is anywhere where anyone thinks it is.
Jokerman..I only posted a small portion of it because showing more could be detrimental to some of the stones in the area. My first priority is to not have a geocach at them. Basically...that is my main priority. I am really sorry that I can't post more for you.
I have always been in a delema with this since I feel that any info I learn I would like to pass on to those of you who have been so helpful and supportive to me and Ben's site. I have been wanting to take Scott W. around and show him some of the things I have found and learned, but that has not happened as of yet. I would entertain having an outing one day but as mentioned above geocachers have ruined it for me.
Guy
Jokerman..I only posted a small portion of it because showing more could be detrimental to some of the stones in the area. My first priority is to not have a geocach at them. Basically...that is my main priority. I am really sorry that I can't post more for you.
I have always been in a delema with this since I feel that any info I learn I would like to pass on to those of you who have been so helpful and supportive to me and Ben's site. I have been wanting to take Scott W. around and show him some of the things I have found and learned, but that has not happened as of yet. I would entertain having an outing one day but as mentioned above geocachers have ruined it for me.
Guy
Scott,
I have acquired another map today that shows Old Half Way on the Ocean County side.
http://www.njpinebarrens.com/teegat...DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1973&g2_serialNumber=1
Guy
I have acquired another map today that shows Old Half Way on the Ocean County side.
http://www.njpinebarrens.com/teegat...DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1973&g2_serialNumber=1
Guy
Scott,
I also have a map that I believe shows the name of the person who lived at Red Oak Grove. The name is S. Bryons or Bryors. Does the "SB" stone come to mind. I may now have the answer what SB stood for. I have no idea how old the map is but it is before 72 was there. It even mentions that the area on Buddtown road where the Burlington County line crosses by Coyle Field is called Budd Township.
It also shows the P. Clevenger home which is mentioned in the Hanover Suvery of Joseph Cox which was from the mid 1850's. I compared the survey with my calculations of the Hanover survey and I know where the Clevenger House was.
Guy
I also have a map that I believe shows the name of the person who lived at Red Oak Grove. The name is S. Bryons or Bryors. Does the "SB" stone come to mind. I may now have the answer what SB stood for. I have no idea how old the map is but it is before 72 was there. It even mentions that the area on Buddtown road where the Burlington County line crosses by Coyle Field is called Budd Township.
It also shows the P. Clevenger home which is mentioned in the Hanover Suvery of Joseph Cox which was from the mid 1850's. I compared the survey with my calculations of the Hanover survey and I know where the Clevenger House was.
Guy
I just read this thread for the first time tonight...nice find Guy.
The Jones Tract map (surveyed by Jos. Cox) also shows Old Half Way on the Ocean County side. I believe you may have a copy of this map, albeit, not a very good one. I tried to take a clear photo of it tonight, but my camera isn't capable of it.
Guy,
In my write-up about ROG, I think that I mention (it was so long ago I don't remember now) that Samuel Bryant, who I traced through deeds, is the SB to which you refer. He was the postmaster and grocer, among other things, at ROG. I believe that these two finds are the same person.
Scott
Yes I remember that but this spelling is different. However, they may have just spelled it wrong on the map. In any event, this proves that his house was right along the road as the map shows. I would have to assume it is the ruins that are in fact right along the road.
Guy
...could be, but I think you may find that it dates, at least, back to the latter part of the 19th century.
ebsi
Guy, Scott,
There are many spellings (and misspellings) of Samuel "Bryant's" surname. I think you may find that "S. Bryons" or "S. Bryors" is none other than "Samuel Bryant" or his father (or his uncle), "Samuel Bryant."
ebsi
Most likely you are correct. The only reason why I mentioned this may be the person who owned the SB stone was because someone here mentioned they though the stone looked too new to be from the Samuel Bryant era. So I was thinking that maybe if they were correct this may have been a more recent property owner.
In any event, if it is him we now know for a fact that he lived right along the road in what most likely is the one foundation that is very close to the road in Red Oak Grove.
Guy
Guy,
That person was probably none other than myself. However, I don't possess any expertise in this area, at all, so I must take your evaluation for the date (era) of that marker as being correct.
To me, it looks just "too modern" to be from the mid--1850s, but what do I know?
ebsi
Ben,
The Penn Fruit Company was organized on 08 APR 1871. Miller Howard was its President and Superintendent. Evidently, by 1900 the Howard family had sold their share in that venture... It had not been a profitable investment.
Based on my research, the bogs at Sim Place, and those at Howardville were "connected" through "Howard Family interests," and I am lead to believe, based on some documentation in my possession, that Howardville (at the least the Howard homestead there) preceded, by, at least, a decade, the establishment of the bogs at Sim Place...
ebsi
Hrm, okay. Thanks for the correction!
Ben,
Let's not call it a "correction," yet...
ebsi
Digitally I have this map. Look at the top right.
I have not started working on it yet. I can't really say that since I did look for a few using a different map. I found a steel pole from the surveyors. Howardsville has many stones, with many of them on the Lawrence line.
Guy
I have not started working on it yet. I can't really say that since I did look for a few using a different map. I found a steel pole from the surveyors. Howardsville has many stones, with many of them on the Lawrence line.
Guy