the demise of urban exploration

stizkidz

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Please read the following in the same way you would read the "opinions section" of your local newspaper. This is my opinion and un-researched theory on the demise of urban exploration. Feel free to contact me directly if you wish to debate these points or ask me any questions about the article.

I have long been a fan of urban exploration, I have been doing this since I was 7 years old with my father. I consider it to be my favorite hobby and take what I do very seriously. However, it is now in my opinion that doing this as a hobby is slowly dissolving and sites to explore are slowly disappearing. I attribute this condition to the popularization of the hobby by a specific magazine as well as other well known internet based sites, all of which promote the hobby. Urban exploration is being introduced to more and more people, some of whom have never before thought of such a hobby as a real hobby. I believe that it is not the people that are destroying these sites, however it is the sheer fact that this once underground hobby is making its way into the mainstream.
What I see as happening is: A few bored teens are going to places like Pioneer Smelting and setting it on fire. Or... A few teens hear about this cool place (the mays landing brick company/brooksbrae) to play paintball and after spraying it with paint, go on to tell others and the cycle continues. Or... A few teens go to a place like the Marlboro Slaughterhouse to drink and party, the neighbors call the cops and lodge a complaint with city hall. Although it sounds like the "bored teens" are the ones who are doing the destruction, this is NOT my critical argument. The fact that all three cases above exist all bring attention to the sites mentioned which in turn alerts police, local governments, mayors, property owners, local newspapers, and militant neighbors.
Urban Explorers, such as myself and others on this BB, are able to deal with paintball players, a few beer cans, and spraypaint and it only slighlty gets in our way. However, suddenly we have bigger problems to worry about - like getting arrested for trespassing! Police do not know the difference between explorers looking to learn some history, enjoy nature, take photographs and a "bored teen" looking to cause trouble. Lately, I have read three articles posted in local newspapers about Marlboro Slaughterhouse, Byberry Institution, and Montclair Abandoned Hospital. All three articles state how patrols are being stepped up and arrests made at all three due to attention received from popular sources. All three articles also include the name of a popular magizine you might have heard of. I cannot speak for Byberry but I do know that Montclair Hospital and Marlboro Slaughterhouse do not have any no trespassing signs and patrols have only recently been made.
I believe that Urban Exploration as we know it may soon come to a slow halt with few unique places left to "legally" explore. Or some might not even be able to be explored at all. For example; Pioneer Smelting Factory (demolished), Atl Brick Mfg (recent no tresspassing signs), Skillman Institution (boarded up), Overbrook Institution (burned then demolished), John Estell House (burned), Purgatory Road farmhouses (being demolished), Devonshire Motor Inn (now a paintball hotspot). What do I see in the future? Brooksbrae being put off limits as well as possibly other PB historic sites.
My conclusion is that urban exploration has taken off as a popular hobby and in turn is killing itself. This hobby survives mainly on the premise that few or limited amounts of people know about these places and those that do will be marginal in their explorations and preserve not destroy. The WORST thing that can be done is the widespread publication of these places to a popular or mainstream crowd.
 

Ben Ruset

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Agreed 100%. Although I don't blame the magazine as much as I blame the element of people who go to these places and destroy them.

Remember, Beck popularized exploring the Pine Barrens back in the 1930's. But the people who followed in his footsteps respected the places. Also, they were far less accessable.

Unfortunately todays explorers have it too easy, and have no respect for exploration. The only thing that I can blame on WNJ is the popularization of these spots. WNJ does tend to cater to the bad element of people - and unfortunately Mark & Mark don't seem to care.
 

stizkidz

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You make a good point about Beck's books, however... Beck's audience, by default, is one that is mostly interested in folklore and history. In my definition, this is not a mainstream crowd and is hopefully a more mature older audience. That is why I emphasize that urban exploartion articles nowadays are geared towards and are evidently being read by a mainstream crowd of people uninterested in history.
 

Teegate

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stizkidz said:
Police do not know the difference between explorers looking to learn some history, enjoy nature, take photographs and a "bored teen" looking to cause trouble.

You are absolutely correct on this one, and that is unacceptable. If an officer can't distinguish between the two after a little observation, there is a problem on his/her part. I have always been annoyed when someone in authority takes it upon themselves to treat the bad the same way as the good.

Guy
 
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bach2yoga

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I wish I could disagree with you guys, but I'm afraid I can't. :cry:

Renee
 

KenDawg

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Aug 10, 2003
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Is it ok for a State Ranger to ticket 2 guys for taking pictures of an old dilapidated house then ? A $74.00 ticket and we didn't even go in the house. We were parked in the driveway and he drove across the lawn. My complaint with this is, the money should be given to the Historical Society to help fix the house up. He told us he was going to give us a $5000.00 criminal tresspass ticket. I guess he cut us a break.
:furious: :swear: :giveup:
 
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bach2yoga

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It annoys me that the ranger can't tell the difference between someone who is out to make trouble and someone who just wants a photograph....
 

strom

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YEP, I CAN SEE IT COMING........YOU GUYS,AND GALS ARE RIGHT..........I WAS HIKING ONE OF MY FAVORITE SAND ROADS,FROM BARNEGAT TO WELLS MILLS,AND WAS SURPRISED TO SEE ALL THE POSTING SIGNS UP...........NEW ONES TOO..................AND SURE ENOUGH,WAS STOPPED ON THE WAY BY AN SUV WITH SOME BIG FELLAS IN IT............CHECKING THE TRAILS FOR TRESPASSERS.........ADVISED ME TO STAY OUT...............HECK,IVE BEEN DOING IT FOR THIRTY YEARS..........HATE TO GIVE THAT PARTICULAR HIKE UP...........BUT THATS LIFE, IM AFRAID....................PRESS ON KIDS, KARL STROM JOHANNSON
 
Maybe it's just me, but I do not see much difference between what the Marks do today, and what Henry Beck did in the '30's-'50s. Mark and Mark love this state, they love exploring this state in all it's majesty and neglect. They loves it's stories, it's people, it's strange sites that don't show up on any tourist map. They are documenting these stories and sites for those that come later, preserving what surely would have been forgotten. Is that any different from Henry Beck? Do they mess up facts, ignore important details that can get in the way of a story, or get contradictory stories from different people? Sure. Do they ruin places? No.

Honestly, it isn't the magizine or the writers, it's a group of stupid people. Some people just cannot behave themselves. There have been many such places around me that have been "ruined" by idiots, places that Weird NJ has never recieved a letter about. Nothing says that paint ballers found out about Bricksbrae through Weird NJ (paintballers have ruined places around here too, they love to search out places to ruin). And in all honesty, there were plenty of idiots in Beck's time too, people who carted away important historical things or trashed sites (for example, the Prince's House in Chatsworth). Later on, people did the same thing (look at how much of the old furnaces were carted away). All that has happened is now days the idiots now have cars and computers, the owners worry about lawsuits, and the police try to do something about it...

Then again, who knows? Maybe I'm way off...
 
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bach2yoga

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Didn't someone on this site say something about the Marks purposefully putting graffitti at a site before photographing it? Or maybe I'm not remembering correctly.
There are certainly plenty of decent folk that read the magazine and just use it to help find interesting places. Not everybody though, unfortunately. We recently had an idiot on this site that caused a lot of problems with wanting directions that was a big time Weird NJ fan.
Renee
 

bobpbx

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MikeBickerson said:
Maybe it's just me, but I do not see much difference between what the Marks do today, and what Henry Beck did in the '30's-'50s. Mark and Mark love this state, they love exploring this state in all it's majesty and neglect. They loves it's stories, it's people, it's strange sites that don't show up on any tourist map. They are documenting these stories and sites for those that come later, preserving what surely would have been forgotten. Is that any different from Henry Beck? Do they mess up facts, ignore important details that can get in the way of a story, or get contradictory stories from different people? Sure. Do they ruin places? No.

Honestly, it isn't the magizine or the writers, it's a group of stupid people. Some people just cannot behave themselves. There have been many such places around me that have been "ruined" by idiots, places that Weird NJ has never recieved a letter about. Nothing says that paint ballers found out about Bricksbrae through Weird NJ (paintballers have ruined places around here too, they love to search out places to ruin). And in all honesty, there were plenty of idiots in Beck's time too, people who carted away important historical things or trashed sites (for example, the Prince's House in Chatsworth). Later on, people did the same thing (look at how much of the old furnaces were carted away). All that has happened is now days the idiots now have cars and computers, the owners worry about lawsuits, and the police try to do something about it...

Then again, who knows? Maybe I'm way off...

I don't think you are way off. That's a good analysis Mike. I agree with you........
 
bach2yoga said:
Didn't someone on this site say something about the Marks purposefully putting graffitti at a site before photographing it? Or maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

Renee ~ I think I remember reading that here too. Something about a slaughter house that they supposedly put KKK graffitti on? I have trouble believing that. In their magazine, they tend to go on and on about preserving places, about how people should read about places instead of tresspassing on them, and how things should be left alone for others to enjoy. While the Marks may be total hypocrites (having met them once for about three minutes, so I don't exactly have an inside scoop or anything), I find it hard to believe that they would paint graffitti on a place for a photograph. Most abandonded places tend to have more than enough graffitti to begin with!
 
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bach2yoga

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MikeBickerson said:
bach2yoga said:
Didn't someone on this site say something about the Marks purposefully putting graffitti at a site before photographing it? Or maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

Renee ~ I think I remember reading that here too. Something about a slaughter house that they supposedly put KKK graffitti on? I have trouble believing that. In their magazine, they tend to go on and on about preserving places, about how people should read about places instead of tresspassing on them, and how things should be left alone for others to enjoy. While the Marks may be total hypocrites (having met them once for about three minutes, so I don't exactly have an inside scoop or anything), I find it hard to believe that they would paint graffitti on a place for a photograph. Most abandonded places tend to have more than enough graffitti to begin with!

Well, I sure don't have a scoop on them either. I know a number of people who use their magazines to explore with, all good people. I haven't spent a lot of time reading their magazines, though I bought the book. I'm glad to hear that they stress enjoying the places without destroying them.
Renee
 

Teegate

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My wife was in Philly and bought the newest WeirdNJ magazine with the article on the house in the Marlton sewer system. Well, when I read the article it mentions that it is NEAR Marlton, and gives no clue as to where. The person who wrote it could have been making the story up, so why would they print that? It seems to me that most of the info in it is unsubstantiated and hearsay.

Guy
 

njvike

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TeeGate said:
My wife was in Philly and bought the newest WeirdNJ magazine with the article on the house in the Marlton sewer system. Well, when I read the article it mentions that it is NEAR Marlton, and gives no clue as to where. The person who wrote it could have been making the story up, so why would they print that? It seems to me that most of the info in it is unsubstantiated and hearsay.

Guy

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