Warren Grove Fire Area Revisited

[Teegate]

All,

This morning Bob, Jessica and myself headed out to the Warren Grove area to look for a few plants. While looking over the route we were going to take, I noticed this last night on the aerials. We just had to check it out. It was quite a bit harder to get to there then we thought on the route we took.

When arriving we were greeted with this view.

On top.

Bob and I climbed up, and I took this of him and Jessica while I was up there.

Bob measuring the smoke grass.

We finally arrived at the large spung that we had visited before, exactly 11 years ago today on our Warren Grove Fire Hike back on 9/29/2007.

With the fire being 11 years ago it is interesting to see how the fire destroyed the cedar trees. But Bob was quick to point out that the seeds had been building up over the years and the fire opened up the sunlight allowing new cedars to grow again. They are as dense as any cedar forest you will ever come upon. This photo shows Bob standing in front of the new trees with the burned ones also in view. I have taken the GPS cords of where I am standing and will return in the years to come to see how they have grown.

On the edge of the large spung, nicely hidden in the trees, we stumbled on this nicely built deer stand.

Besides the many chigger ticks that Jessica and I are still getting off of us, it was a enjoyable morning.

See us 11 years ago today.

https://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/a-pbx-hike-the-warren-grove-wildfire-6-months-later.3959/

Guy

 

[Teegate]

We stumbled onto what appears to be a very very old vehicle of some sort. It has a bumper and a gas tank and the leaf springs are still there. But there apparently are no wheels and drive train. It is very thin.

 

[bobpbx]

You are the MAN on the stand Guy! Reminds me of an army signal corps tower for signaling with flags.

Those cedars were thicker than fleas on a dogs back. But really, I wonder why they weren't taller after 11 years.

 

[bobpbx]

PS; this is an odd year. Not including this one, I was at the same exact place, at the same date, at least 3 other times this year, and it was not planned that way.

 

[1Jerseydevil]

The effort put in some of those deer stands!! Is that a chair in the first stand? Complete with carpet.
The size of these things, for one person?

 

[Teegate]

There was a tent there also which it appears they may have had set up around the chair or at least on top of the stand. Portions of it were still up there but most of it was under the stand.

 

[Teegate]

While standing there looking at the cedars in the photo I have re-posted below, Bob was adamant that the massive amount of cedar growth was because of seed banks opened up to the sun because of the fire, while I was thinking differently. Today, I was reading my copy of the National Woodlands magazine and saw this paragraph which pretty much proves Bob correct.

Just for the record, the magazine allows reproduction as long as their address is included.

National Woodlands Owners Association, 374 Maple Ave.E.,Suite 310, Vienna, Va 22180-4751

 

[manumuskin]

Guy this car wasn't here was it? https://maps.njpinebarrens.com/#lat=39.714678726441434&lng=-74.3588526884842&z=18&type=nj2015&gpx=

 

[Teegate]

Yes it was. I know I have visited it before but we did not visit it on the fire hike.

 

[manumuskin]

Me and Bill found that thing maybe 15 years ago and wondered what it was.I gave Bob the coords to it but I don't think He has seen it yet.You went looking for it from my coords or just wandered into it?

 

[manumuskin]

We found it in the winter and you could see it much clearer.we thought it was some type of sled.

 

[Teegate]

Just wandered into it. But as we were there I kept telling Bob I had been there before but I can't find any photo of it so I guess I was wrong.

 

[manumuskin]

There no trail to it if my memory serves me right.we crossed the meadow from east to west heading back toward the road and just wandered into it.Amazing coincidence we'd wander into the same thing like that off trail then again not really because bob is a plant man and likes his spungs so he was bound to find it eventually.I remember it was along the west side tucked into a small bay facing the larger opening.That had to be in the 90's we found it.

 

[Sue Gremlin]

Teegate, is that what's left of the Corvair some of us found a few months after the fire? I recall that being near an interesting marker.

 

[Teegate]

Not sure. My grandmother had a Corvair and I don't remember that kind of bumper. In any event, I am unsure what it was.

 

[bobpbx]

I doubt it was a corvair. It seems way too old. This thing was built when men were iron and ships were wood.

 

[46er]

Corvair's did not have leaf springs. Coils all around with an independent rear that, depending on the year, had this bad habit of tucking a wheel on hard cornering. My wife owned one, a hoot to drive quickly

 

[Sue Gremlin]

Was that the reason they were so unsafe? My sister drove one for years. It was so stylish.

 

[bobpbx]

Was that the reason they were so unsafe? My sister drove one for years. It was so stylish.

It was more the location of the engine. It caused steering problems when cornering or trying to correct a fishtail or swerve.

 

[Teegate]

My grandmother owned one for years and would drive it up to our house from Repaupo to Marlton every Saturday. Then my mom would take over and she drove us around shopping. My grandmother lost her eyesight in one eye when my mom was born. Sometime in the 70s I believe my moms neighbor who worked at Robinson Chevrolet in Moorestown by the mall purchased it from my grandmother and starting taking it to car shows. It was garage kept and in perfect shape after all the years she owned it and he was a good mechanic. Anyway, he eventually sold it to Robinson's and they put it in the showroom for quite a while. As as far as I know my mom does not have a photo of it.