- Jan 2, 2003
I respect the other issues in your post, but I am not sure I can buy into this one. Overdevelopment is a significant problem. Littering goes without saying. Illegal dumping.... Let's compare. There is truth to disturbing the ecosystem and tirewash in puddles certainly disrupts things but.....Trailhead00 said:Remember one thing, ATV's are the "real" problem facing the pines, not overdevelopment, littering, illegal dumping and also the countless companies that got away with dumping everything they wanted to in the past.
I'm sorry, but that sort of thinking sounds just like every other group of people who feel "entitled" to something at "the state's" expense and it has a lot to do with why NJ has so many budget problems. In reality, who is "the state"? It's me, you, the guy next door, etc.Trailhead00 said:I don't know what the state is going to do when the park in Chatsworth closes? They promised 2 parks before by 2005 and in the typical Jersay way nothing has been done.
Everybody is taking issue with everyone's statements so I'll jump in.Boyd said:I'm sorry, but that sort of thinking sounds just like every other group of people who feel "entitled" to something at "the state's" expense and it has a lot to do with why NJ has so many budget problems. In reality, who is "the state"? It's me, you, the guy next door, etc.
I don't know anything about this issue other than what has been discussed here in the past. If "the state" has some contractual or legal obligation to provide an ORV park then fine, it should be honored. But if it is just some pork that a special interest group was promised then it's about time we started saying no to that type of thing. If there's really a big demand for an ORV park then it should be a viable business proposition for someone. Let the people who use that park pay for it with entrance fees.
That's OK. Read my post again, I didn't say anything about who the pines are for, I just questioned why someone feels entitled for our tax dollars to support their personal hobby.BEHR655 said:The Pines are for everyone and that includes ORV owners.
I guess you didn't understand my reply.Boyd said:That's OK. Read my post again, I didn't say anything about who the pines are for, I just questioned why someone feels entitled for our tax dollars to support their personal hobby.
As far as closing down the roads and parks.... sure give it a try. However if you did, I suspect there would be a public outcry and the funding would be restored. And that's how I think politics works. If a majority of constituents want something, they will probably get it. In the case of ORV parks, the obvious conclusion would have to be that the people who own these machines don't have enough political clout to get what they want.
Honestly, I'm not so sure that I do. But the roads are open in the pines and I can drive down them. I'm not asking the state to do something new and special for me. If the state decided to close the roads then I would have to consider whether it was important enough for me to "get political" and persuade them to re-open. Or maybe I would react like Trailhead and move somewhere else.BEHR655 said:Don't you feel entitled to drive on the roads through the Pines?