By saying, "I was right," you give the impression that it was you who came up with this idea. We know that is not the case. I'll post the picture of the deed shortly.
Garoutte Tavern in Historic Pleasant Mills, New Jersey
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By saying, "I was right," you give the impression that it was you who came up with this idea. We know that is not the case. I'll post the picture of the deed shortly.
Well I was right because you guys were right! Thank you so much for the picture. Why is that deed book lined? It looks new or something. What should I put down as a reference. Where is that book located?
Edit: nevermind I see on the page it says it is from Deede Book A3 of Gloucester County Clerk Office.
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It would be great if we could get our hands on a directory for the cemetery, if one exists. G.C., let us know when you find the information in the Garoutte History Book concerning James Smith's inn. Let's see if we can't get to the bottom of this.
I'm back. This is all I have on the Smith side.
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In the Iron in the Pines page 204 it says Garoutte stage line went from Camden back to his tavern for overnight lodging. Well if his tavern really was in pleasant mills isn't that about an 18 - 20 mile ride by carriage? Would that be logical for that time..? To travel at 7:00 a.m. by carriage to a tavern 20 miles away?
I read taverns werent welcome anywhere near towns so they had to operate taverns way out becaise people got drunk and crazy so the city ordinances and laws did not allow them to operate too close to town.. but 20 miles??
The more facts I find on this guy I am just amazed. Especially about the fact that his nephew was a General in Napoleon Bonaparte's Army and then Napoleon's older Brother Joseph Bonaparte came and lived practically right down the road from Garoutte in 1812/1815ish.
Edit: his nephew was a General in the French Revolution, not a General in Napoleon's Army. D'Espinassy was General of Brigade and gave the enemy hell in numerous battles of the French Revolution.
What kind of things would that imply? I mean c'mon! I've even read La Fayette was Garoutte's guest about the same time La Fayette went to Joseph Bonaparte's Mansion in South Jersey.
There's something very interesting about all this!
I wish I could find out what the British did with that ship Saint Simon after they captured it in 1757.
Edit: because I have seriously considered the scenario that The Saint Simon was captured back by the US Navy from the British during the revolutionary war.
And here is my reasoning on that. The Admiralty Foundation Register in Marseille, France has a whole big fat book of births and departures and their records say Antoine Garoutte was ordered by King Louis the 15th in 1753 to set sail for san domingue and the name of the ship was Great Saint Simon.
Ok well guess what? A french colony in canada named Saint Simon traces their history back to 1757 and they named the town after a French War Ship named Great Saint Simon. Two books detail the event.
One book claims the British Fleet captured the ship, killing the Captain just after the crew dumped all the cargo into the inlet and buried a bunch of the cargo into the ground.
But then again 1753 to 1757 is 4 years. Would Admiral Antoine Garoutte have been at sea for 4 years? San Domingue is far away from Canada but both were French Colonies. Clearly it's the same ship, but was Garoutte still commanding it by 1757?
What did the British do with the ship. That's what I'd like to know. How could I even find out??
Edit: his nephew was a General in the French Revolution, not a General in Napoleon's Army. D'Espinassy was General of Brigade and gave the enemy hell in numerous battles of the French Revolution.
What kind of things would that imply? I mean c'mon! I've even read La Fayette was Garoutte's guest about the same time La Fayette went to Joseph Bonaparte's Mansion in South Jersey.
There's something very interesting about all this!
I wish I could find out what the British did with that ship Saint Simon after they captured it in 1757.
Edit: because I have seriously considered the scenario that The Saint Simon was captured back by the US Navy from the British during the revolutionary war.
And here is my reasoning on that. The Admiralty Foundation Register in Marseille, France has a whole big fat book of births and departures and their records say Antoine Garoutte was ordered by King Louis the 15th in 1753 to set sail for san domingue and the name of the ship was Great Saint Simon.
Ok well guess what? A french colony in canada named Saint Simon traces their history back to 1757 and they named the town after a French War Ship named Great Saint Simon. Two books detail the event.
One book claims the British Fleet captured the ship, killing the Captain just after the crew dumped all the cargo into the inlet and buried a bunch of the cargo into the ground.
But then again 1753 to 1757 is 4 years. Would Admiral Antoine Garoutte have been at sea for 4 years? San Domingue is far away from Canada but both were French Colonies. Clearly it's the same ship, but was Garoutte still commanding it by 1757?
What did the British do with the ship. That's what I'd like to know. How could I even find out??
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Sorry, I haven't been following this thread and I just noticed this. Please don't post screenshots of copyrighted material. Ben had some legal problems resulting from a screenshot that a user posted of an old newspaper article. See this for more information: https://forums.njpinebarrens.com/threads/important-rule-for-this-forum.10185/
G.C., I don't see anything in those pages you posted that mention Michael and Sophia inheriting James's inn.
I deduced the Inn was originally James Smith Inn because he took Garoutte back to his Inn after finding him and they all lived in the Pleasant Mills area.
I must be missing something. Can you show me where it says that James Smith lived in Pleasant Mills?
Sevier family history says he was ambushed in an inn by little egg harbor after battle of chestnut neck. Garoutte history then says james smith picked him up in his wagon then on 28 october he marries the daughter of his rescuer. The book says james smith was an inn keeper. Obviously garoutte ran a tavern in pleasant mills. Pleasant mills was home to all the quakers and they held their meetings there. It seems logical the tavern was the inn owned by james before garoutte.
That's fine, and I'm not really worried about what you posted. But if you read Ben's thread in my link, you'll notice it is called "Important rule for this forum". So I just wanted to remind everyone. Thanks.
Pleasant Mills is not part of little egg harbor. Neither was Pleasant Mills home to all the Quakers. We cannot assume that the inn owned by James Smith was inherited by Garoutte. Though it may turn out to be the case, we need some evidence.
"Source material that James was an Quaker and an innkeeper is in Garoutte History Book from 1975 third edition"
G.C., I'm looking for evidence that Smith owned an inn in Pleasant Mills. Can you help me out with this?
G.C., I'm looking for evidence that Smith owned an inn in Pleasant Mills. Can you help me out with this?
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I don't have any documents to prove it. I only have the logic. I strongly feel that's the case because it makes sense, but I could be completely wrong about that!
The book does say James Smith was a Quaker and a Innkeeper. Where they got that information I'm not sure because there is no source for it. It could be an oral tradition.
If there are any reliable records like a census before 1790 or a book of ledgers we could look through for a James Smith and a Sophia Smith in his household that would help!
I agree that it would make sense that James Smith, if he indeed owned an inn in Pleasant Mills, could have given Michael and Sophie said inn. But we need to establish first that Smith did own an inn in Pleasant Mills. Until we have the facts necessary to logically deduce that the LaFayette Tavern was previously owned (as an inn) by James Smith, it would be folly to speak as though this is a fact.
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I could not agree more. It is important that we refrain from jumping to conclusions. We need to find some documentation concerning Smith's inn (if indeed it existed).
I'm not sure how to go about finding out. Records from this time period are hard to find. If memory serves they had to reconstruct the 1790 census because all the records got wet. And I think you had to be a landowner to make it onto earlier decades of census. So if the information is not in those maybe a trip down or a call to the various historical societies that deal with Quakers and Taverns. I don't know! I'm just working with whatever information I have here! It's easy to get records 1850 and up but before that it gets a little tricky.
An examination of the tavern licenses of Gloucester county should yield some relevant info.