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Hidden in plain sight. Well, now I'll just have to stop and look this Sunday. LOL

If your index mark is close, it appears the rock is farther than expected off the old 539. I'm a bit embarrassed as I've parked there quite often and never noticed it, but as you say the woods are quite thick in that area. Was it pushed deeper into the woods off the original 539 road? Any info...

What I'm noticing lately are plastic bags of leaves dumped. This is homeowners or "cut and run" landscapers. At least empty and take the bags. I have seen dump truck loads of leaves and grass clippings and this is for sure landscapers. When you see furniture it's usually a homeowner. Small...

Are those 2 perfectly good bypasses I see in your first picture? "Ram Tough"

Bob I was out there last year. I think you can see it in Guy's photo, isn't there a mailbox on one of the sand road intersections? I think this is part of Brick Wall corp. Even back in the '70's I don't think a sand co. would venture on public or private land it didn't own. I think there's...

:smug: Actually warmer than you think and you get some excercise as well. Hands do get cold but grip warmers handle that. As for dirt and muck, well, sometimes but 99% of the time you can go around.

Unfortunately I'm ashamed to say no, not natural. Exactly like a washboard road traveled by cars, the whoops are formed by the long travel suspension of legal enduro bikes during an enduro event attended by upward of 300 riders. Because of wetlands and other sensitive areas, regulations...

Interesting. Is this the reason for some some of the hills or hilly terrain in the pines? An example, the hilly terrain along rt 539 in the Greenwood track by the big rock? There are other areas of course, some do have a swamp lowland near the base, others not. I have noticed areas in the Pines...

Yeah, he did say Wharton. Amazing, very similar looking water hole with bypass on the way to Hidden Lakes.

This is why you DO NOT go through any intimidating water obstacles, even some "innocent" looking ones can get you. Notice some of the jeeps went around. It appears they are on a road, hard to say exactly where but maybe on the way into Hidden Lakes. At least they're on what appears to be a road...

Thanks Guy and others for your input. So, I guess Clayton is upset for the loss as well. If the rumor I heard about Jersey sand being used for fracking is untrue then I guess the sand isn't going to a central location but probably to one of Clayton's many concrete plants. 46er Government...

46er If your correct then what a total waste of money. Maybe 2 years ago pine trees growing in the tracks were cut and new stone was brought in on the RR bed along Pasadena rd. It certainly appeared something was happening, then the thread here mentioning Clayton. All rumor I guess? Anyone...

This isn't exactly the right thread, well sort of. I couldn't find the thread discussing the rail road rebuild thread to Clayton's sand pit in Woodmansie. Work was done on the road crossings in Manchester and Mt. Misery rd. Talk was Clayton got a grant to resurrect the RR to Lakehurst to...

To be specific Fisher's pit and the Beachwood shopping mall are NOT related. The superfund site is immediately behind the condemned mall where SBA asphalt was located. From a satellite view it all looks to be the same but in fact is 3 separate owners. You have NJ Pulverizing next to Fisher's.

Typical, those in charge spokesman unaware of the facts, but don't let facts interfere with personal agenda. As for the other man made objects, "that's different", there's $$ involved, don't you understand? LOL

Didn't mean to get off topic, it's obvious Brown is a good topic for discussion though. I have nothing against the man. He found his niche in life and took full advantage of it. Good for him. He's providing education for those seeking and employment for those needing. I met him once in a fire...

Casino is in the eye of the owner, Tom Brown is certainly cashing in. Reservation is generally thought of but not exclusively of an area designated to "contain" Native Americans. This culture lived strictly off the land without modern inventions until they were assimilated into "our" culture...

By all means and I agree, don't let them stop your enjoyment. I meant it more of something different and who they are if you do encounter their "reservation" school. Hey, maybe you'll sign up, LOL. They're friendly but will let you know your tresspassing and not welcome. They are on private...

I like that observation.

Interesting thread. There are numerous historic area's, interesting places and places where it is just nice to stop and "smell the roses" so to speak. There are no official hiking trails but as mentioned numerous sand and gravel roads. Numerous fire cuts that may seem boring, but some do...