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That was very interesting, Al. Thanks for posting that!! Jeff

Yes that is right. I actually meant Nature conservancy, not NJCF. I suppose it is probably Haines though.

the red pit has always been posted. I believe it is Haines or now NJCF. we always called it the red pit because it is filled with red sand like on nearby red road (stephens road)

just so there is no confusion, this is the red pit http://maps.njpinebarrens.com/#lat=39.7696816316501&lng=-74.41535711288452&z=17&type=h&gpx=

In the 1930's-1940's I think grid ditches were still being used for mosquito control which wouldn't have looked like this.

BTW: if you want to post links to historical aerials here is how I did it. When you are on there click on share, then email and have that photo sent to your email. Then copy the link in your email and paste it in the text of your thread/post. Ben mentioned another way of doing it, but I...

oh yeah, the pit coming off of sooy going towards spring hill. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought that that would be as good for stargazing as spring hill. there used to be alot more jumps and things in that pit but then then they flattened it with a bulldozer a few years back. The north end still...

What's a mullica boy doing poking around Forked River?!!!! Okay, that is odd and a cool find. That bog is, of course, not of the typical cranberry growning variety as it is certainly filled with brackish water from barnegat bay. So, my thought was that it was somehow related to the harvesting...

It sounds like you were at spring hill, which is a very beautiful spot for vistas. I have never heard it referred to as stargazers pit, but it is a good spot for that. There is another pit in that area to the east, the red pit, but it is just a pit without the hill. Jeff

I'm glad to here that Jess is feeling better. That first photo of the cellar hole with the garbage in it....I think I know where that is. Is it on the north side of 532, west of the lake? Kind of near the blue water sand pit? Jeff

Very nice, gentlemen. I am sorry I missed this one. I love dramatic changes in the topography as you encountered here. I've hiked some of the trails in there and noticed, like Chris, that it felt like forests to the north. Jeff

upon further thought and study of aerial photos, I think the large depression might be the result of the ground near it being raised to provide a land bridge for a cranberry operation that pre-dates aerial photos. So the depression could be an illusion, and the ground next to it is just higher...

I was too busy yesterday to go on the PBX Hike but I was able to get into the woods for a few hours. I wanted to investigate a few areas I noticed on historic aerials. Here is a circular clearing that appears on carranza road near sandy ridge in 1931...

Congrats to Jerseyman!! That is pretty cool. Jeff

I checked it out where it meets with moores meadow road. There is no visable sign of it. I might have been able to see in by looking up to the canopy, but it might have been my imagination. Jeff

It's very close to my house so I will check it out physically.

I had rented this from the pinelands libaray in medford a bunch years back. I remember thinking that that song, with the harpsichord and falsetto "bard meets hippie" vocals was freaking me out. Especially along with the strange artwork.

Well, I must admit I'm satisfied. I was seriously confused about the NJTLC's role in this and the state's determination of the amount of area to be closed. But thanks to very informative posts, particularly by Greg, Gipsie, and 46er, my questions have been answered. Everybody is entitled to...

Do you have any insight as to the purpose it served? Is it possible to investigate the bank area for ruins that would be related to the dock? Jeff

Good information, Greg. Very clear and to the point. Especially point #4. I will be expressing my concerns to Rob Auermuller directly (or directly as I can). Jeff