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I left some of this vague to see how quickly you can identify it. It's interesting how they get in there. The roads look horrible when wet.

Some of that road does indeed exist. Mostly in the southern half.

When I lived in Bamber, I mostly loved it, but I really tired of trying to get into the rest of the pines from Bamber. The best way was at one time Webb's Mill road, but that was undriveable for a couple years, and in most years a bumpy hell. Also, 8 miles to the Shop Rite was too much, and...

This section in Barnegat (if it's not summer) is worse by far than route 72 where the shopping is. That is the parkway and west bay avenue.

This article you can read without subscription. Very interesting. We are way down the list on number of traffic circles. I thought the country was moving in the opposite direction, but no. Think of the 206 and 70 circle. I used to hate it, but not so much since I moved to barnegat with its...

It gave me pause that when Scott first mentioned it, that people were giving his post the thumbs up, like "yeah, they are common, and I understand what that is"...

Where might this be?

Scott, is the "O" a long O or a short O in shitometer. Asking for a friend. :D

I decided to not challenge this wet hole a couple weeks ago. I turned around. One of those situations where you say 'I might make this, but if I don't I have to bother other people to pull me out, and I'm in deep, and that is just not worth it". I was heading south.

I'm not onboard with throwing logs down in there like that. For cripes sake, build it up with sand.

I'm sure it's just me, but if they said 'hop in, we're going into that man-made resevoir and cross it"....I'd decline.

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I know where it is. I visited it soon after the forest service made a road there fighting a fire. I think it was around 2003. It's in Greenwood Forest. but even so, Greenwood Forest is over 16,000 acres, so it's just a very small part of the whole. Once the people back there are playing around...

Still have not seen your list. We'd like to see the list of all the sites you conservation organizations are complaining to the state about, and with coordinates so we can check them out ourselves. I'll put the major ones on a map, and we'll get photos.

Speaking of puddles, I went from the old firetower site in Greenwood to Aserdaten this weekend. I was surprised by the amount of puddles, so I counted all the puddles that covered at least 75% of the road, and there were 58 puddles in 2 1/2 miles. I recall when there were none. Definitely hard...

Thanks John. Yeah, that is so representative of the pines being destroyed. :rolleyes:

My grandson Aydan went there last summer. He wants to go back.

Thanks for checking it out. Where is it? PS: you should send it to the same reporter and give him an earful about this situation.

I always thought Lower Forge Camp was a wilderness camp, no vehicles allowed.

I'm not sure where you mean for the 'slab foundations in the main forge clearing". Can you send me a PM and I'll show you some things?