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That would be the upper Mullica (or Atsion Creek). Very nice.

I made out fine. Thanks for keeping me in mind.

Yes, I have read those, Ben. I am not beyond glancing over things. I'll look them over again tonight.

I must admit that I'm not privy to this debate. Help me out here. I want to know what the PPA has said or written which indicates that they are anti-ORV. I'm not hiding behind anything, as there is nothing for me to hide from. Like Jerseyman, I have no dog in this fight. Also, I don't see...

Nice photos. What is the name of that little stream?

While I agree that the PPA ought to clarify this matter, we have to be responsible in our criticisms. Do you have any specific examples of where the PPA has condemned ORV use in general? Russel himself has said that the PPA is not anti-ORV in general. I have not seen anything that would...

Jeff, you are right in that the spungs would have been important to the indians regardless of whether or not fish occupied them. However, we must bear in mind that these spungs once contained much more water than they do now. Many have all but dried up in the past century due to a depletion of...

Why do you say that?

Sound advice, Jerseyman. Medford Piney, could you give some specific examples of where the PPA has condemned ORV use in general? If you have already given some examples that I glossed over, I apologize and would appreciate it if you reiterated them.

You are certainly right about the lower sea levels during the last ice age, and it is true that most relict features from the late Pleistocene have vanished during the Holocene, either through erosion or human tampering. From what I understand, though, meltwater was restricted to channel flow...

I have kept out of these discussions because of how heated they have been. I can certainly see where Ben and Jeff are coming from and I can see where Russel is coming from. I think at this point it would be expedient to recognize that the PPA is not anti-ORV in general, but rather against...

I feel for ya, furball. Good to have you back.

I concur, Guy. That shot of Mickey is a good one. He's a stout gentleman, that Mickey is.

Cool moniker!

Howdy, Furball. Mark Demitroff has been uncovering many clues about the frigid past of South Jersey. He has been busy reinterpreting the geologic features of the area and has documented the cultural significance of these features. For instance, the pine barrens abound with dunes, most of...

That's not the impression I got from reading the article.

I'm back from the dead, boys. That was one hell of a savannah; much different than the kind I'm used to. Of interest was the stream that was created by the ATVs. Way to go! Scott, that was a great find you had there in the Sassafras. The post-hike refreshments were, as always, an excellent...

Good report, Ben. That's no easy hike. Looks like you did pretty well tracing the route, too. The straight 20' contour line at the top right (EDIT: top left) corner of the topomap marks a portion of the road that you missed. Much of the road passes over a few of the many relict dunes that...

Looks like a cedar - er, I mean cypress - sprig.

Good un! :mrgreen: