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Windsor, you got a canoe down that thing? What time of the year was it? How high was the water?

Portage some? How bout that for an understatement! :mrgreen:

No, Bob, New Pond dam was on the Mullica just above present day route 542. We should do a paddle this summer and I'll show you the area.

Yeah, I consulted Peirce when I got to my Dad's today. Now that I've thought about it some more, I'm inclined to believe that Pierce is right and that a new dam was simply constructed in the same location 100 years after Ball originally dammed the stream. I can't know for sure just yet...

Ya know, Bob, I suppose it's possible that Ball did dam the creek at the same location that the 1895 dam was built. Maybe the photos in Heart of the Pines are not of the construction of New Pond Dam, but rather the "re-construction"? I don't have my copy of Iron in the Pines with me at the...

You'd like to see New Pond? Me too, my friend. Me too. If only we had a flux capacitor.....

LOL. Same old story..same old song and dance, my friend.

Bob, The Harrisville area is really neat, and I've barely poked around there at all. I think you've got a good idea there. No, I wasn't referring to Beck. I haven't found any mention of New Pond in any of Beck's books and articles, have you? Do you have a copy of Iron in the Pines by...

Bob, since we're on the history subject.... Remember when you asked me about New Pond during when we were at Mary ann? What I told you was way off-base, and I blame Arthur Pierce! Actually, I should have known better since Heart of the Pines includes photos of the construction of New Pond...

Bob, The "mystery mill"....the enigmatic Wading River forge and slitting mill at Harrisville. Nothing of the buildings remain today since the construction of Route 679 destroyed it. John Pearce explains in Heart that it ceased its operations after a fire in 1823 but I haven't found anything...

Guy, Bob et al. I just got my Pines book collection back yesterday and immediately did some research on past operations on Sleepy Creek. In Heart of the Pines, John Pearce writes that John Estell dammed the stream and constructed a mill of some sort (probably a saw mill) around the year...

Where is JeffD now? When not invite him back?:jeffd:

Thanks for sharing that. I didn;t know rattlesnakes stick around the same area all year. Or do they come back to certain locations at certain times of the year?

:mrgreen: That is some intense stuff there! Thanks!

Great presentation (even though I came late :bang:) and subsequent discussion. Mark's knowledge and passion is truly inspiring. BTW, damn the Pinelands Commission. Seriously.

Boyd, you sure know how to take a great shot. That first one is simply awesome. Thanks.

Your best best is to bring enough water from the get-go.

I'm tempted to agree, onehand. 30,000 acres of burnt pinelands in 5 years is enough. Some real idiocy, if I must say so myself. But to be honest, if they close down the range only to develop it, I would be infinitely more upset about that than about these idiotic mishaps.

Dragon, nature has her way of sustaining the Pines through fire, but nature didn't start this fire. I don't think man-made fires are necessarily good for the Barrens.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070514/NEWS/70514056 Wow. This judge ought to be ousted.