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That is one of my favorite locations. It's been a few weeks since I was there.

Yes the pines have held up well over the decades. I want them to remain similar for the next 40 years. I hope everyone got my point. The state's policies have influenced the pines more then anything else, for better or worse. I'm not an off road enthusiast by any stretch and don't fall in any...

Boyd I get your point. I dont expect things to stay the same forever. For the most part for every 1 thing that stays the same there's probably 100 that change. But a ride or walk through the pines takes me back since most of it it has changed so little. The state tore down the buildings at...

Over the last 40 years I've witnessed a gradual decline in the health of the pines and Wharton State for that matter. A short drive down 72 proves it. There was nothing but pigmy pines. Now the trees are 50 feet tall and on top of each other fighting for every ounce of sun. As they age they...

I was in Shenandoah National Park. In a designated Wilderness Area. While I'm not sure of their official policy but the ranger that over saw the rehabilitation process was very adamant about trying to keep people on the trails. He didn't even want us to stray too far off. After looking it up...

I have posted this before. In many national parks even hiking off of permitted trails is not permitted. After fires they even rehab trails to discourage even walking off course. A good example of something similar is the beach. Just try walking on a dune at the beach. As a kid I used play on...

Al really sums it up well.;) "There are currently all the laws needed to prosecute abusers." Then why do we need more laws like the MAP? Let's use the existing laws to prosecute the offenders and not make new ones to not be enforced. Choosing not to give up roads to the people who will still...

I've been thinking about it all day too:confused:

Very nice Ben. Again, you hit in all the key points. I'm also very disappointed in the stance of the PPA. I've watched, and listened, to several of Rob's presentations. While I don't agree with his stance, he does have valid concerns that we all can agree on. When John did his FIRST...

To most of us it's not about just closing roads. The best argument I've ever gotten by either the DEP or PPA is "hopefully " this works to fix the problem. If I lived my life on hopes I'd play the lottery every day. I'm a realist and without my kids I probably wouldn't be as passionate about...

It looks a lot less menacing without water and ice.

We should also be petitioning the DEP to increase enforcement of the existing laws now. They promised at every meeting, that I went to, more patrols were going to happen with the roll out of the MAP. Now that MAP is on hold it should have no bearing on those increased patrols. And those patrols...

I've never smelled them either. My kids killed one before I could stop them. Something with the stink in its name I expected to at least smell something. Maybe that one lost its stink;). I still don't kill them in the house just in case.

Being a little younger Hidden Lakes was slowing down and a bit far away. Back in the day we went to the "Cabin" which is now the lake in the Sanctuary and another pit that I'll leave nameless since it is still there. Last winter I stopped by and the area where we hung out is still there. It...

Sounds a little familiar. Not to highjack a thread but a recent plan promises to do the same thing:rolleyes:

It's not newer then a month ago. I did notice that when social media blew up on this.

Hint, he's sitting right next to you:D

Thanks for the update. I haven't made it out to HF too often lately. Every sign my 5 year old sees, who can't read yet, forces him to ask if another road is closed.

I agree, lowering water tables, runoff from farms and homes and years of fire prevention have more overall effects then any single road. All anybody has to do is drive down 72. Over the last 40 years it's almost unrecognizable. As the pines age they are more susceptible to desease. This is one...

I'm going to wait to guess again and give someone else a chance but I was a torn between 2