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Bob gets the last word in. As is proper. Since there's already one other thread talking about this, everyone head over here.

I can tell you where they're not: my back yard.

Interesting that the area from Long Branch to Navesink (northern coastal Monmouth County) was shaded as "Pine Barrens".

I've always wondered how to line up this photo. I guess that big white building on the right was in front of the packing house, and the house with the chimney is this building?

Totally unrelated to any of this, but when I worked for Princeton University I had borrowing privileges at Firestone Library (where I assume this book came from) and it was such an amazing place to walk among the stacks and smell that "old book smell". I believe there's also a grad student's...

Wow.

Same. I was looking through old emails and saw someone else we both know say that he was told the same thing.

Are you paying to store that much data?!?

(to the people who built this)

I appreciate you recognizing this.

Without breaking my rule on political discussion here, I don't necessarily trust the police. If I had the ability to not interact with a police officer, whether or not I was knowingly doing something illegal, I wouldn't. I would stick around if there was a way that I could be identified after...

I was wrong. It's time to close the forest.

It would probably be more helpful to use the Class 1 or Class 2 ORV definition instead of the generic "ATV". Class 1 covers everything that can't be used in the woods (like a quad and dirt bikes I suppose?) and Class 2 covers anything that can be used on a NJ highway such as a Jeep or a properly...

The actual words you wrote were: No, you didn't say the actual words "the 'uneducated' shouldn't be able to offer an opinion" but any reasonable person would think that's what you were getting at by "not a collaboration between the state and every private citizen who wants to throw in their...

I think we're talking past each other at this point. I understand the context. I disagree with the idea that the "uneducated" shouldn't be able to offer an opinion. If you're talking about people having the technical skills to sit down at a computer, fire up ArcGIS, and make an actual map then...

So for sure I didn't write this with the intention of you needing to address each point nor defend the PPA. You stopped working for them right around the time that the MAP came out. My whole point was stressing was the reasons why people are both skeptical and do not trust the leadership in...

Sorry, this is going to be another long one. I don't have any outright official statements from the PPA saying that they want to close every road. But let me explain why people think they do. Looking back through old emails between myself and some members of the forum here I saw where Rob...

Come on, Russ. Just look at all of the things that Al Horner has said. Jason and his friend's documentaries. All of the press releases that the PPA has released. A long, long time ago I was on a cleanup with Emile DeVito and he was positively raging about keeping ORVs out of the woods. (I didn't...

It's not unreasonable to conclude that the PPA really does want to shut down most motorized access in the Pine Barrens, given the actions and statements that its members make in pushing the issue. In the strictest definition, driving any vehicle down a road in the Pine Barrens is detrimental to...

If anybody fancies a trip down memory lane, here's 8 pages of posts from 2008 where we're all making similar arguments to ones now. I only re-discovered it because I was curious if Russ had posted in any of the non-ORV discussions on this site recently. I really don't want to be cynical, but...