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Yeah, I got that too. So I guess it's not dead yet…?

Well, even if the PC purchases a bunch of land, they'll be able to sell development rights or rights of way through it with the idea that they'll just buy up some other land somewhere else. It's stupid. You're not supposed to do what SJ Gas wanted to do. It should have never even got this far.

Wow. Maybe I ought to not be so cynical.

The 4x4 cleanup is once a year, around October. I'm not really sure who the official organizers of that are. There's the Forked River Mountain cleanup that happens yearly, as well, in the spring. Bob or Chris can probably fill in the details better.

Sellouts.

We've already had a bunch of threads sent to the slag heap over this. She's asking a legitimate question - lets stick to legitimate answers please.

As long as you don't climb it? Because, uhm… All it takes is one person to fall or get hurt there and trust me, the state will come along and tear it down. The state knocked down the cotton factory at Atsion for the same reason. Look, we're just not going to agree on this and it's totally not...

Yes, I'm making a judgement about art. But here's the thing: it doesn't belong there. And, if you asked any ranger, historian, archaeologist, or even a regular guy off the street they'd tell you the same thing. While the paint may fade, it doesn't really ever fully go away. It does hurt the...

Chiggers are the worst. I had a similar experience to you - I had to drive home with no pants once because there was a giant swarm of them on my jeans. Pine flies are very much like horse flies. They bite - HARD. As far as why the PPA would tell people to go to the Martha ruins… well...

But wait, what's the difference between Harrisville and Brooksbrae? Why is it okay at Brooksbrae and not Harrisville?

So there's two things that happens to buildings when they stop being occupied. The first thing is that the weather takes its toll and they eventually collapse. The other thing is that people come along and start robbing out stones to build other stuff. (This is something that has gone on for...

I've been going to Brooksbrae since the late 90s. A lot of people have been going there to see it. It's not some well hidden away sort of thing. Up until an archaeologist (who is a member of this site) did his PhD thesis on the site there was very little known about the history of the place. If...

Again, did you read my long post? Because it has pretty clear explanations, based in fact, on why increased traffic to these sites is not good for their longevity. In any event, you've made your opinion known. You're in the minority here, and I doubt that you'll change anybody's mind, just as...

It wasn't destroyed. It was buried safely. They did an excavation, made a survey of the buildings, conserved some artifacts, and then restored the site back to the way they found it. Archaeology 101.

So *I* don't own the ruins, but it's cool for you to tell me that it's okay for people to do whatever you find appealing with them? Pasadena isn't my house, but it's part of our shared NJ heritage. Sorry if I'm not keen on letting some 22 year old girl make a decision on what is right and...

I'll give credit where credit is due. Doing that with spray paint takes talent. It's just done in a highly inappropriate place.

First of all, I appreciate art. I am a photographer. I'm also a fan of Bansky. I've seen plenty of graffiti that I think is well done. Just because the Brooksbrae Factory isn't in the same league as the Washington Monument doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve to be protected from vandalism...

How are we one of the few people who know of these places? Everybody in the world knows where Brooksbrae is. And, to find a lot of other places, one needs only to look at historic maps which are available right on this website. Can you personally vouch for the people you tell where these...

You would have never seen them in the first place. They were buried. And, while they were unburied, people were in there souvenir hunting. It's standard practice to rebury a dig site after an archaeological investigation happens.

How can anybody who lives in the Pines be miserable?